Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756070AbXFTTde (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:33:34 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753124AbXFTTd0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:33:26 -0400 Received: from dsl081-033-126.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.33.126]:58632 "EHLO bifrost.lang.hm" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751931AbXFTTdZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:33:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: david@lang.hm X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Michael Poole cc: Tomas Neme , "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 In-Reply-To: <87wsxysaad.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> Message-ID: References: <9a8748490706201034j43139301w5a18c172d688c724@mail.gmail.com> <2e6659dd0706201110x20fa5c28n5d6fc094e9f5c832@mail.gmail.com> <871wg6trnx.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> <2e6659dd0706201205i52e0b836oe642e2b442e425d7@mail.gmail.com> <87wsxysaad.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2190 Lines: 50 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Michael Poole wrote: > Tomas Neme writes: > >>> It's simple: they don't provide _complete_ source code. They keep the >>> source code for the part of their Linux kernel images that provides >>> the functionality "runs on Tivo DVRs". The GPL requires that >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization does not agree that this is >> the problem but rather "TiVo circumvented this goal by making their >> products run programs only if the program's digital signature matches >> those authorised by the manufacturer of the TiVo." >> >> I'm downloading the sources now.. if they compile, then you're lying >> to me, right? Moreover, if I compile them as is, and I can run them on >> a TiVo (let's say upgrading the machine's kernel) then you're even >> more so.. > > Whether the sources you download from Tivo compile says very little. > It certainly does not mean I am wrong. I could give you binary for > version A and sources for version B -- and the sources would compile. > > The kernel you build from the source code that Tivo distributes must > be accepted by Tivo's hardware without making other modifications (to > Tivo's hardware or bootloader). If that is possible, I will retract > what I said. If it is not possible, they are omitting part of the > program's source code: no, saying that the result must be acceptable to other software (in this case the software running in the BIOS) is not part of the source code. David Lang > A "computer program" is a set of statements or instructions to be > used directly or indirectly in a computer in order to bring about > a certain result. > -- US Code, Title 17, Section 101 > > Michael Poole > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/