Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758500AbXFUG4v (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:56:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753027AbXFUG4o (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:56:44 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]:64461 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752584AbXFUG4n (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:56:43 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LOhTPMCtW+RzQQ2VrlfMNa9UnocTZx0/pBiSXjRzhAaHRCx4Ih53P4sFOPY6pa7NoFrcFAPWXrErucag0GeTQ+fyAbrvoHo4aLcNCbK0WXyrEdQpkn5LH/GjK7/xtUAaHvfe+dXfTndODbvg9fJKoTR/ourjI4AXXUo0g1mSsL4= Message-ID: <467A2121.7010407@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:56:33 +0400 From: Manu Abraham User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lennart Sorensen CC: Alexandre Oliva , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , debian developer , "david@lang.hm" , Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , mingo@elte.hu, Andrew de Quincey , Sigmund Augdal Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 References: <20070610160531.GA12179@kroah.com> <20070612184110.GB7980@kroah.com> <20070613211432.GH10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20070614175305.GI10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4677F616.3080406@gmail.com> <20070620194626.GX10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <20070620194626.GX10008@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1450 Lines: 32 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:28:22PM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: >> Well, it is not Tivo alone -- look at http://aminocom.com/ for an >> example. If you want the kernel sources pay USD 50k and we will provide >> the kernel sources, was their attitude. > > Hmm, set top boxes are often rented from the cable company rather than > sold. Stupid grey area for sure. At least tivo does give you the > sources, without demanding more money. Rather big difference. I am not talking about the rented aspect, since these STB's are usually sold rather than rented. >> Well, it is not Tivo alone, a large chunk of the vendors do that. The >> vendors who actually do it the clean way are just few and can be counted >> very easily. > > Well at least where I work we don't try to lock down the hardware, we do > contribute our changes and bug fixes to upstream when it makes sense > (and where our changes wouldn't make sense for upstream, they are still > clearly included with the sources we have.) If a customer wants a copy > of the sources, they will get a nice DVD, although strangely none have > asked for one yet. Providing the changes back itself is a great thing altogether. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/