Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756001AbXFUJUm (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:20:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753137AbXFUJUd (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:20:33 -0400 Received: from ns.firmix.at ([62.141.48.66]:35379 "EHLO ns.firmix.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751218AbXFUJUc (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:20:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 From: Bernd Petrovitsch To: Tomas Neme Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Andrew McKay , Alan Cox , Linus Torvalds , Al Viro , Bernd Schmidt , Ingo Molnar , Daniel Hazelton , Greg KH , debian developer , david@lang.hm, Tarkan Erimer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton In-Reply-To: <2e6659dd0706201414g3a6af30cvfb50720962e9dc1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4679557C.5080907@iders.ca> <20070620175627.319a6c55@the-village.bc.nu> <46797C52.4020907@iders.ca> <2e6659dd0706201414g3a6af30cvfb50720962e9dc1c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Firmix Software GmbH Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:20:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1182417608.30700.23.camel@tara.firmix.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Firmix-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on ns.firmix.at X-Firmix-Spam-Score: -1.102 () AWL X-Firmix-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.102 required=5 X-Spam-Score: -1.102 () AWL X-Firmix-Envelope-From: X-Firmix-Envelope-To: Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1740 Lines: 41 On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 18:14 -0300, Tomas Neme wrote: [....] > Why, if you let user-compiled kernels to run in a TiVo, it might be > modified so the TiVo can be used to pirate-copy protected content, Or it might be modified to fix a bug - either a technical one or a legal one as described below. > which is a serious security hole. TiVo would need to read, approve of, "Pirate copying" is forbidden anyways in almost every jurisdiction AFAIK. Perhaps we should disallow cars on the streets since one could drive too fast with them. And it is not a security hole for the owner of the hardware (I consider secret keys somewhere else a much greater security threat) to the Linux community or a lot of other entities. Probably just music industry thinks like above. And there are legislations were it is *legal* to make private copies (for sure as long as you don't pass them on and somewhere even giving away for nothing is legal). So I actually have a *right* (which also can't be killed by contracts) to copy that movie for my private use. And up to now it is actually legal in .at to do (more or less) everything to get this right (and that may include hacking the device). > and sign any modified kernels the users intend to use on their > hardware. If GPLv3 allows for this, it'd be doing exactly that Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/