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From:   Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Date:   Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:03:57 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/8] Add latency priority for CFS class
To:     Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>
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On Thu, 22 Sept 2022 at 13:00, Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com> wrote:
>
> On 09/22/22 09:19, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sept 2022 at 18:08, Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Vincent
> > >
> > > On 09/16/22 10:02, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > > This patchset restarts the work about adding a latency priority to describe
> > > > the latency tolerance of cfs tasks.
> > > >
> > > > The patches [1-4] have been done by Parth:
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200228090755.22829-1-parth@linux.ibm.com/
> > > >
> > > > I have just rebased and moved the set of latency priority outside the
> > > > priority update. I have removed the reviewed tag because the patches
> > > > are 2 years old.
> > > >
> > > > The patch [5] uses latency nice priority to define a latency offset
> > > > and then to decide if a cfs task can preempt the current running task. The
> > > > patch gives some tests results with cyclictests and hackbench to highlight
> > > > the benefit of latency priority for short interactive task or
> > > > long intensive tasks.
> > > >
> > > > Patch [6] adds the support of latency_offset to task group by adding a
> > > > cpu.latency field. There were discussions for the last version about
> > > > using a real unit for the field so I decided to expose directly the
> > > > latency offset which reflects the time up to which we can preempt when the
> > > > value is negative, or up to which we can defer the preemption when the
> > > > value is positive.
> > > > The range is [-sysctl_sched_latency:sysctl_sched_latency]
> > > >
> > > > Patch [7] makes sched_core taking into account the latency offset.
> > > >
> > > > Patch [8] adds a rb tree to cover some corner cases where the latency
> > > > sensitive task is preempted by high priority task (RT/DL) or fails to
> > > > preempt them. This patch ensures that tasks will have at least a
> > > > slice of sched_min_granularity in priority at wakeup. The patch gives
> > > > results to show the benefit in addition to patch 5
> > > >
> > > > I have also backported the patchset on a dragonboard RB3 with an android
> > > > mainline kernel based on v5.18 for a quick test. I have used
> > > > the TouchLatency app which is part of AOSP and described to be very good
> > > > test to highlight jitter and jank frame sources of a system [1].
> > > > In addition to the app, I have added some short running tasks waking-up
> > > > regularly (to use the 8 cpus for 4 ms every 37777us) to stress the system
> > > > without overloading it (and disabling EAS). The 1st results shows that the
> > > > patchset helps to reduce the missed deadline frames from 5% to less than
> > > > 0.1% when the cpu.latency of task group are set.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://source.android.com/docs/core/debug/eval_perf#touchlatency
> > >
> > > One thing that still confuses me is whether this proposal is supposed to be the
> > > only consumer of this interface or we still expect other users to be able to
> > > use this hint to optimize other sources of latency in the scheduler? Last
> > > discussion [1] raised issues on the interface and I haven't seen any
> > > discussions on the suitability of the interface to enable future consumers.
> > >
> > > I might have missed something. What's the current state on this?
> >
> > Nothing has changed since the discussion in March:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKfTPtBCKyqa-472Z7LtiWTq+Yirq6=jSrkzJtNbkdKXnwP-mA@mail.gmail.com/T/
>
> Okay. For my peace of mind, could you update the cover letter please to be more
> explicit that this is only one use case of potential others to come later in

I thought that the reference to Prath's patchset at the beg of the
cover letter was enough to highlight that there were other possible
uses of the interface. But I can mentioned that this is not the sole
and alone use of the interface can be done in the scheduler and other
places could also take advantage of this new hint.

> the future? The other 2 that I remember are improve load balancer search and
> modify EAS behavior. Parth had a use case to help take advantage of turbo
> frequencies, but not sure if this is still being pursued/desired.
>
> Your proposed use case could actually help make the EAS one unnecessary. But it
> is hard to tell at this stage and prefer to continue to consider it as
> a potential new consumer of this interface.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Qais Yousef