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From:   Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/5] PCI: qcom: Add system suspend and resume support
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 07:29:31AM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
> 
> On 9/23/2022 12:12 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 09:09:28PM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
> > > On 9/21/2022 10:26 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 03:23:35PM +0530, Krishna Chaitanya Chundru wrote:
> > > > > On 9/20/2022 11:46 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 03:52:23PM +0530, Krishna chaitanya chundru wrote:

> > > > > > > In qcom platform PCIe resources( clocks, phy etc..) can
> > > > > > > released when the link is in L1ss to reduce the power
> > > > > > > consumption. So if the link is in L1ss, release the PCIe
> > > > > > > resources. And when the system resumes, enable the PCIe
> > > > > > > resources if they released in the suspend path.
> > > > > > What's the connection with L1.x?  Links enter L1.x based on
> > > > > > activity and timing.  That doesn't seem like a reliable
> > > > > > indicator to turn PHYs off and disable clocks.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a Qcom PHY-specific feature (retaining the link state in
> > > > > L1.x with clocks turned off).  It is possible only with the link
> > > > > being in l1.x. PHY can't retain the link state in L0 with the
> > > > > clocks turned off and we need to re-train the link if it's in L2
> > > > > or L3. So we can support this feature only with L1.x.  That is
> > > > > the reason we are taking l1.x as the trigger to turn off clocks
> > > > > (in only suspend path).
> > > >
> > > > This doesn't address my question.  L1.x is an ASPM feature, which
> > > > means hardware may enter or leave L1.x autonomously at any time
> > > > without software intervention.  Therefore, I don't think reading the
> > > > current state is a reliable way to decide anything.
> > >
> > > After the link enters the L1.x it will come out only if there is
> > > some activity on the link.  AS system is suspended and NVMe driver
> > > is also suspended( queues will? freeze in suspend) who else can
> > > initiate any data.
> >
> > I don't think we can assume that nothing will happen to cause exit
> > from L1.x.  For instance, PCIe Messages for INTx signaling, LTR, OBFF,
> > PTM, etc., may be sent even though we think the device is idle and
> > there should be no link activity.
>
> I don't think after the link enters into L1.x there will some
> activity on the link as you mentioned, except for PCIe messages like
> INTx/MSI/MSIX. These messages also will not come because the client
> drivers like NVMe will keep their device in the lowest power mode.
> 
> The link will come out of L1.x only when there is config or memory
> access or some messages to trigger the interrupts from the devices.
> We are already making sure this access will not be there in S3.  If
> the link is in L0 or L0s what you said is expected but not in L1.x

Forgive me for being skeptical, but we just spent a few months
untangling the fact that some switches send PTM request messages even
when they're in a non-D0 state.  We expected that devices in D3hot
would not send such messages because "why would they?"  But it turns
out the spec allows that, and they actually *do*.

I don't think it's robust interoperable design for a PCI controller
driver like qcom to assume anything about PCI devices unless it's
required by the spec.

Bjorn