Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755525AbXFWMCW (ORCPT ); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:02:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751367AbXFWMCP (ORCPT ); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:02:15 -0400 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.174]:62138 "EHLO moutng.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751017AbXFWMCO convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:02:14 -0400 From: Arnd Bergmann To: "Robert P. J. Day" Subject: Re: "upping" a semaphore from interrupt context? Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:02:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: Florin Iucha , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <20070622173839.GB8398@iucha.net> <200706221934.18436.arnd@arndb.de> In-Reply-To: X-Face: >j"dOR3XO=^3iw?0`(E1wZ/&le9!.ok[JrI=S~VlsF~}"P\+jx.GT@=?utf-8?q?=0A=09-oaEG?=,9Ba>v;3>:kcw#yO5?B:l{(Ln.2)=?utf-8?q?=27=7Dfw07+4-=26=5E=7CScOpE=3F=5D=5EXdv=5B/zWkA7=60=25M!DxZ=0A=09?= =?utf-8?q?8MJ=2EU5?="hi+2yT(k`PF~Zt;tfT,i,JXf=x@eLP{7B:"GyA\=UnN) =?utf-8?q?=26=26qdaA=3A=7D-Y*=7D=3A3YvzV9=0A=09=7E=273a=7E7I=7CWQ=5D?=<50*%U-6Ewmxfzdn/CK_E/ouMU(r?FAQG/ev^JyuX.%(By`" =?utf-8?q?L=5F=0A=09H=3Dbj?=)"y7*XOqz|SS"mrZ$`Q_syCd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706231402.03617.arnd@arndb.de> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18VEU6lGvYUhev71OmuO8zfHtJ9acNnuAbFVzj caKKTjO0iZ2grEO9VTgRgUH+29tUggH6RvNt9N1vQJ5UUTV1pb GhGDwcfagg8wMcU+HvVQg== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1144 Lines: 27 On Saturday 23 June 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > > yes, but you should not. The use of semaphores is not recommended > > for new code, it should be replaced with either a mutex or a > > completion. > > can you clarify this? ?it sounds like you're saying that the current > implementation of semaphores is entirely superfluous. ?but surely it > isn't possible to replace all semaphores with either mutexes or > completions, is it? No, not all of them, but the vast majority. There are multiple differences, the most important one being the 'counting' in semaphores. You can e.g. define a semaphore that can be held by N users at the same time, but not more. In a mutex, N is by definition 1, so only one thread can hold a mutex. There are other subtle differences in the implementation, e.g. you cannot mutex_trylock at interrupt time. Arnd <>< - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/