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Date:   Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:31:35 -0400
From:   Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
To:     "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>
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Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:22:10PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
> * Delete all the components.
> * Leave a catch-all one.
> * Let bug reports rot because no one will ever see them. Almost just
> like now. Don't remind me of mailing lists.

This is my proposal, except also:

1. post all new bugs and comments to a public-inbox feed that people can query
   via lore.kernel.org and tooling like lei.

> Sarcasm and pain aside, Linus Torvalds himself _via Bugzilla_ has helped
> me resolve critical issues on several occasions while my messages to
> LKML were simply _ignored_. Think about that.

In fact, he probably did this by replying to emails, not via the web
interface.

> Mailing lists will not work for such a huge project. Period. In the
> early 90s they worked, but we are 25 years later with millions more
> users. With a ton more of a ton more complicated hardware.

We've recognized this a while ago, which is why our efforts have been targeted
at query-based message feeds. Hence, tools like lore.kernel.org and lei. It's
a work in progress, for sure, but it doesn't require any "everyone must switch
workflows today" kind of coordination, and avoids introducing single points of
failure by making it easy to replicate everything to mirrored systems.

-K