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Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
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To:     Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
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On 9/29/22 15:31, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:22:10PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
>> * Delete all the components.
>> * Leave a catch-all one.
>> * Let bug reports rot because no one will ever see them. Almost just
>> like now. Don't remind me of mailing lists.
>
> This is my proposal, except also:
>
> 1. post all new bugs and comments to a public-inbox feed that people can=
 query
>     via lore.kernel.org and tooling like lei.
>
>> Sarcasm and pain aside, Linus Torvalds himself _via Bugzilla_ has helpe=
d
>> me resolve critical issues on several occasions while my messages to
>> LKML were simply _ignored_. Think about that.
>
> In fact, he probably did this by replying to emails, not via the web
> interface.

Nope, I CC'ed him.

>
>> Mailing lists will not work for such a huge project. Period. In the
>> early 90s they worked, but we are 25 years later with millions more
>> users. With a ton more of a ton more complicated hardware.
>
> We've recognized this a while ago, which is why our efforts have been ta=
rgeted
> at query-based message feeds. Hence, tools like lore.kernel.org and lei.=
 It's
> a work in progress, for sure, but it doesn't require any "everyone must =
switch
> workflows today" kind of coordination, and avoids introducing single poi=
nts of
> failure by making it easy to replicate everything to mirrored systems.
>
> -K