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[223.255.225.74]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id iw12-20020a170903044c00b0017cb3207855sm2478885plb.99.2022.10.01.00.57.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 01 Oct 2022 00:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by debian.me (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 43A4C103744; Sat, 1 Oct 2022 14:57:27 +0700 (WIB) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 14:57:27 +0700 From: Bagas Sanjaya To: Theodore Ts'o Cc: Laurent Pinchart , "Artem S. Tashkinov" , "Bird, Tim" , Thorsten Leemhuis , Slade Watkins , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "workflows@vger.kernel.org" , LKML , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: References: <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> <3cfaef48-744f-000f-1be5-6f96d64dea24@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RFCm67F2aeOXrvQp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --RFCm67F2aeOXrvQp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 09:18:13PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 07:47:26PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > Debian uses an email based bug tracker and you know what? Most people > > > avoid it like a plague. It's a hell on earth to use. Ubunutu's Launch= pad > > > which looks and feels like Bugzilla is a hundred times more popular. > >=20 > > It would be pretty sad if the only options we could come up with for bug > > tracking would be either popular with reporters and ignored by > > maintainers, or the other way around. Ideally we wouldn't have to decide > > which of those two classes of users to prioritize, but I fear that, > > given resource starvation, we'll have to make a decision there that will > > be unpopular with one of the two sides. >=20 > Funny thing. I've largely given up on getting any kind of useful bug > report from Launchpad, so I've largely ignored it. In contast, the > bug reports I get for e2fsprogs from Debian are generally far more > actionable, with bug reports that have all of the data so I can > actually root cause the problem, and help the user. >=20 So no matter how the bug tracker interface is, the etiquette is: Whenever something buggy happens, try to gather all information related to that event (reproduction steps and reproducer, logs, crash dumps, etc), then file the polished report. From your experience, it seems like Debian people knows it. Thanks. --=20 An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara --RFCm67F2aeOXrvQp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYIAB0WIQSSYQ6Cy7oyFNCHrUH2uYlJVVFOowUCYzfy3gAKCRD2uYlJVVFO owpKAQDqs3NaPzyJxecuSDu3seERfmPSXU7yhojYUK+ijxRcOQD+KOQZIAVxQI1m MdIgbD/Z+MU5jKPdPMY6FRc/vYLWWw8= =UwbF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RFCm67F2aeOXrvQp--