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Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:OIZKgNIoUzfXFxWRgy/Z1vaxIi9zGvMB/YQQlltEGHfMbUXcd3U yWf0nypaNJYSt47WpQNIM4TkIjy2jo1eFpwomUnKk9ZzoIbW2QBCe3FGkYdUMfY9gcrlILE 6qNZOdumdf3Sp4ihXDQwAQx+zCl0RAhmjFaanSY/i+/M5yf73+9nFeKlkBgtJPv89A2tUqL YlBih/+zroXZ9c8xSDO3w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:XzkzykWyZ0s=:ZpHjeAs9hHVfzzZjOsnKoNic cuzvCsCDV8Jd8MnT/MFk4BLDcEwigVChYAZ/+8VcNQ26yTkj3A5dTsfLaW5GTfSGqM6qPPyLg 4etZVPrzlg2YL0OobK5r+Mlt1onRaBPQNb0eTRz2D83/3WHauAzxEJkju4uMH5SJMVIYSvUMy c4OjYW3gWyD6pPOOIjqoW7cJKCoPMN9blBBSNxi6pBWd4yAl4mRcPywW0QpUwaF00sHO8mwm3 ETk7cehpk7E4DFmgmOBEjjf31mysGBVMboqUG9d5griI00T6CJC7nn2f1OQFT0+w251oznGRK 4/6YhHwKZu58GmLuMoQuFFIcCF7IuCzDBJCSfcOENQdQPmXc6Y5TBksDlUjN/MrzW2wmAyVhh 9oxJmI57MBnuc181VonHD0b7oQh9pRhboXMC6KI6Ym7jjbzUMu9VWuvJOqm1vNWJM3LsmDpnA wj2Cwe1OeQokO3/FQZdPtC6tIPcOEYargvDUI4dk0BtRdPvdqu18cj/XEWHDewXjSJnS/absz L0qSZ+CGAGJTPhzUdZHjIv6udMOgxipFd/y4m+v38ljPWICki1En83vMrGPyiuO5+icvH6fqh Abw0pcRBOgFxhK9RJNfymxkV3AQMZUOgs8iJdahbk3qCBniyrNKHaNFXMV5wxhqy4MdSVCiui qKEFAfFf5dUGLbJYbIRpu56izrwwLPYpUmChFTumltj0EPxoAd/x1BQ+ivU2vCiMHGHQVWoZy kyapWIEfBQqVaG/mg3yedrUtb5D6e9ZBGAbKaU4XsvbqBK/HLC1HgYwKOFZucB+Vq82IulI5E IeNXB4CPTYoa7uga5UAZlAhe0X5y1eAhlQQHL/qwUlGXEbhpnSNLkZ6mNG46I9/YNUWos/7Ao xG7xIMkLR3gFV2yhIYcSpFJ1hxaaF1Tz3ZMoVjN8vcBMHiuCN9/5g3yVik7rbBScasKjQ8mQK aPNXADwsbAC8yycoov6tmEU7rCc0D1YKGD3RBAP9SQMWys5zHfBOdcEBikKfnkERQAHVuv9fG vM/EqGnOu2W/3ZOo8WYuUQZv38EjNFrK3nuJgnqVbVDhB7wRNYcSGqKaBVCUA4UoFV8U5l/fO I95K1ghHkMOgZfTm1XRkGRHMzKPB9IDI0EPiqhrdnPEIRr9MXUIl/74gXG2Rex1JJYd34r1Ab d/25OmF9cCj8+4FYI9xEDwxvKGoGEbkSKmjgU3ZeYzWppg== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Here are two other issues which absolutely suck in terms of dealing with the kernel. - 1 - I have a 20+ years experience in IT and some kernel issues are just baffling in terms of trying to understand what to do about them. Here's an example: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D216274 What should I do about that? Who's responsible for this? Who should I CC? And this is an issue which is easy to describe and identify. - 2 - Here's another one which is outright puzzling: You run: dmesg -t --level=3Demerg,crit,err And you see some non-descript errors of some kernel subsystems seemingly failing or being unhappy about your hardware. Errors are as cryptic as humanly possible, you don't even know what part of kernel has produced the= m. OK, as a "power" user I download the kernel source, run `grep -R message /tmp/linux-5.19` and there are _multiple_ different modules and places which contain this message. I'm lost. Send this to LKML? Did that in the long past, no one cared, I stopped. Here's what I'm getting with Linux 5.19.12: platform wdat_wdt: failed to claim resource 5: [mem 0x00000000-0xffffffff7fffffff] ACPI: watchdog: Device creation failed: -16 ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve symbol [\_SB.PCI0.XHC.RHUB.TPLD], AE_NOT_FOUND (20220331/psargs-330) ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.UBTC.CR01._PLD due to previous error (AE_NOT_FOUND) (20220331/psparse-529) platform MSFT0101:00: failed to claim resource 1: [mem 0xfed40000-0xfed40fff] acpi MSFT0101:00: platform device creation failed: -16 lis3lv02d: unknown sensor type 0x0 Are they serious? Should they be reported or not? Is my laptop properly working? I have no clue at all. =2D-- While we've been talking about bugzilla I thought it would be pertinent to bring this up. Best regards, Artem