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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id pg9-20020a17090b1e0900b00203bf024e7asi6069771pjb.7.2022.10.01.05.04.09; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=KQOMUf8A; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmx.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229436AbiJALVZ (ORCPT + 99 others); Sat, 1 Oct 2022 07:21:25 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54264 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229550AbiJALVW (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Oct 2022 07:21:22 -0400 Received: from mout-xforward.gmx.net (mout-xforward.gmx.net [82.165.159.40]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40BD4E9060; Sat, 1 Oct 2022 04:21:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1664623270; bh=HAla/Vs9GZG3HSB3GcXNkxnIDhYaym/q+ezmwjQc0kw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=KQOMUf8A5Zc3bXGQLqxJkdzC6qpXK3MKJM/d7H/4i9h4nqiw4nqxW9ChGD2/3L885 wuMKKd9rblj/Y1mmNgHGR3QVu6UU3hZwrURbF3KDfhW6c8pSWWBHy6sND7I2WgdVoS +RLHBJEPNRsM4ykJBopspoIdmC1nBFfYY67LaxNM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.30.110.10] ([143.244.37.31]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MdNcG-1pDvIz3oqu-00ZOOX; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:21:10 +0200 Message-ID: <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 11:21:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.1 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <9a2fdff8-d0d3-ebba-d344-3c1016237fe5@gmx.com> From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lND4xANQJhj5evny/d1QBRvz1T0JPVUoxd55j9BYZcK2yYDyBBr invuQRGlZVElWeeILhE5JYOKoU0Ikq8mij4NPxdyOzwtE45E1ydxrTiG8ZZfyEhfZL7mefP nqZZLJcIE+zJLmxQ2gl/puBEC1dcqQd+VVEKVF4DppXyCVMSa115fcHl4Xyo1DvgwgnSGfD VKERjmUIfkk4tCdzktxMw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:Keb35RhUD5Y=:2pA8L3tc49uSUp3JjEiKgHMM g+Rom7PktykwCoBMZ+ABwfbiPGY4JZwPy8tZ0C5u2yRnAxEJtPVYuQPxbIS7zZVTLVfzYwOOb as3iTm7HVc5zXkizFfsB972OtF8PRUVqB7cPdJDFAtHFBfP3c2CEDxb7uJoY1+1RqloBIYdoi AfbW1PzlDd9oKiVUmQfHqsQaXpm1CCTOOZMCw0luKJvNCtnW836Vd4O1OUq3CGM+hTSytCpjE 7WKYalNrKPeMGUMXyo0UXSl/dGrILqLUOBJU/ffRHUkQ3m9OFu7kYiqFrEObWgl6X1SF7JQs0 KNX2QKjv78KySlFNLWZkPZJ7xGILG8AswDhcM5F9KNw1wNj9ogWQSZc7W5D1OXMWG55v1Cg2c lFBaEIQaurMooDw3j/vjPCC6SdTHm+BVJJvIDjxgGPLwVhD68v3CAs+Nqx7zNhfXNYDIStr0K +I96nIK5fy7YFp26/LgQL3nl7zj6KqK9SmTZ3Rru7burpKgoTvtLXrvU7xA1tCgC9RW8Sg8XA wwG3soUBjE9dV8in96W3ClGpqUL38o/kBXLz2dKGF3cuUKDSOwZI0gUz17rMphLfg4WuB0nbw 2oViDKz7E+7Js1+AaxIFmHM/Mu+Za3NoHwV3bXJpkAMSNNmAaMuPTe/s8uGTJdR5/RYW5Btoo v1o5MM4j6NLv5ynjULEKylBDzEc1cNqgWc62y8+B+pbd3SlPCgKgoZUM3Noa+ncgzjLbEatd0 kkIGfvv+zRRI/gU6DmXzbIMmAk91X3SZwkXTgNbiOzIRNmHo4a6sp2bmcN7+FeBKkbrK0QSIO 9Kcht9UUqn7lJLDMizY2zMfuS67SwagYSUWuFYfkerBQE3S4YO3mXXbw6fUtM/tI49X77/9LJ OdvKQcivMtYyfDWsOG1gvmO/TtoCu9x0QPk3jSnw81IwDNqjfqnye7HXwRewx7OnVzq4OpClr geWKs3/oFo4Gpr8kUDgZHRxyTni+/7s8GuYZC4PxP6ptXtbTbzqa+moBfm4tX0zi/w3n+/6lv Ldc7EsrgT2Wx1dNhmY9LyYRp8tiug6FiLqcQ0kmTZeDfOr0qru7LxvpWfj05N9im3Od6vxnYy a0EF4sC18EWPZzwCdnLN4Hq6Jss1VAQuvLnMZTV/auDvmSFsBo9ZxbvMmUX7OU6dAX83Nylhz vIY7tTmVdNE419UztTtWy9clebP3ADaajsanMpi/BJcw9g== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/1/22 10:57, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 01.10.22 12:47, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> On 10/1/22 10:39, Greg KH wrote: >>> On Sat, Oct 01, 2022 at 10:30:22AM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > >>>> I have a 20+ years experience in IT and some kernel issues are just >>>> baffling in terms of trying to understand what to do about them. >>>> >>>> Here's an example: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2162= 74 >>>> >>>> What should I do about that? Who's responsible for this? Who should I >>>> CC? >>> >>> Input subsystem. >> >> It's great you've replied immediately, what about hundreds or even >> thousands of other bug reports where people have no clue who has to be >> CC'ed? > > Quoting from https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/reporting-issues.html: > > "[...] try your best guess which kernel part might be causing the issue. > Check the MAINTAINERS file [...] In case tricks like these don=E2=80=99t= bring > you any further, try to search the internet on how to narrow down the > driver or subsystem in question. And if you are unsure which it is: just > try your best guess, somebody will help you if you guessed poorly. [...]= " > > HTH, Ciao, Thorsten Absolute most people: * Will never read this document * Will not be able to "search the internet on how to narrow down the driver or subsystem in question" Lastly "unsure which it is: just try your best guess, somebody will help you if you guessed poorly", so send a message to LKML and hope someone will reply? This generally does not work. LKML is such a high volume mailing list, individual messages get lost right away. Regards, Artem