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Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:xnUxEgu1NheUqNGBsnjiVoHSIWqADBqkWW/4RXF6oL2LamuYaWr iol9xZFaa/6zIVcILtx2pTXoKQhrNMBw7MvkiwWmtFxUm9ycY/V5y5Jp80zM8UWjf6h3vSs zs2kGuULZBQOoFv51p6d4EjISvhVb0HKNuPtvYMg8zImI8XrK2h9WYZGtdzdQhqtaGMHg4p hzl15UEBtUrH6rKmA8Gvg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:sVkWtDPLdUw=:65XBoCldrO3u+32pnPxh/vTN yG07G0ZNrQ6//XSWaiQk8Mktqjo4pbeq7upqJJ/kCMgTPPpjuRzJPGzuY1xplUHzXv8uLyNbS dDUrZjypvchol4nkNVlualx5RWCZh/jiFw7wfdVqco7gS76WdJx051Kmq5KMHxNWIBmsPMSZE cnf6A1/DTGzCBfosby5nzHg70pBp7WQFZlPHM3TqfG7K3124zTwjrHDb2xPbQ25tLUhgh5pcD 2+kEnLwk5X1lWeWq7VcGrOB79y0nG59EeAF43BQiCg0tfxa+rwjUbN7+ZHSbqKYXvUXWEoMLI TqbqrHxD2ufZ06IE3r0iv1IaYNgfb6AX+wNhi00uXQ0VsO2M5IueFEBDZNh0bgoRfPmsR3Ff2 39aTmbfcboqdzoAul3CxKf1Twc/oYuaE4MCQY4TiDuIY5sU7N46jwu6O1tZy7Z8avA8e+75+/ PfgBsGUVQyBNMSUH8ILKLdbFEPfLNnMBMZuC8te4RZXOnphN9KgTbhGYYdfrN8bDSkEO7ATWi OlBRcJuEvO+C8DJjjSzA3cBfXrx70Y2RIjNW7Ce32CK3sLd3EF/9/5g/VCOKGqfx3PAseOYw0 JG7pQx+Yq7uYVKPqxmAcSR5t2NXVibDVDQxBE+dqZwA7CgkcwcUEodyW/oigwFyE4hYiU38vs 957Y0r5RbmQcz6o6fHswvyLt3OqQO5ogTBjmlrnI7OlQ6KwC2/ZYqNPVd3NMlmrW1AVYF7IIC vRS9EIWFn0vm7+UtPKjWApuYRQYnur4jcyIGpeNS1bnDOcEPzY6uUM7dJyoY7mjG3fHZfqX+A hTNwFqNH0p7vymN7fdr/Wu6eHO+xNJ/Yq8B+cO6mxe8lsQanhbfteQONgKCz10dsrk72CS/+N RC6KXRJQ5Og6nO7qf1sncCTTvXH8D5TRmme1ts7jPyvUKAfvFVI6QSNCUCo7YK3GAkkEeYyEN eOtY1RS64aOrAS56zqh4jLOiyXCPjcQZ9HrpYV2IPy4DC4Xg4LC7xOEZ0tJ8njLos3dglVE85 AxCOAZatR4QjVLV8PraCpi2ITvTuuqBq9H7LjIgAkVEWFoNrbEN85J6STNGC3ilwsDuEcePlY vyeNnGPJ3N3YJv7BXFmuPsAyNlPyCJRi0P43kLw5VB9QwY+KT7NQsvbebuPcFCgiimAyh8YJL sW1ALvML6zPLN7RJ68pShxTTBufxrXgPW4IAswTINuiW1Q== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/2/22 18:17, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Artem, > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 2:49 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >>> On Sat, Oct 01, 2022 at 02:58:04PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> Bugzilla gets around two dozen bug reports weekly which encompass at >> most thirty emails, which equals to four emails daily on average. > > So we're discussing about the fate of a tool through which on average > four bugs per day are submitted (some of which are not very useful > due to lack of information)? A tool which is not maintained upstream? > Perhaps that's enough reason to just kill the tool, so no one has to > worry about it, or maintain it? Yep, there are not that many savvy Linux users out there. Filing a good bug report takes a lot of experience to be honest. And most bugs reports in Bugzilla are semi-automatically closed (by me) because they are about amdgpu and i915 which have their own bug trackers. Without such reports the volume of bug reports is basically halved. > > However, at four emails per day, you might as well just subscribe the > subsystem mailing lists (each of which would receive only a fraction > of that, right?). Maintainers and several developers won't even notice > that minor increase in the number of daily emails received, although > they might still complain about the contents ;-) > And that still needs someone to keep the tool working.. Oh, God, finally. Regards, Artem