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Tashkinov" Cc: Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , "Theodore Ts'o" , Thorsten Leemhuis , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: <20221002214054.GB22532@1wt.eu> References: <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> <7d57b7d2-b39a-881c-65e6-969c4f0948cc@gmx.com> <8f2ad360-8719-e275-050b-f279201a1616@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8f2ad360-8719-e275-050b-f279201a1616@gmx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 09:27:40PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > > Which is why in the general case, you really should consider email to > > be the "lingua franca" of kernel development communication. It > > doesn't have the fundamental limitations and management issues that > > bugzilla has. If you want to add more people to the Cc in an email, > > you just do it. > > Attention, Linus, the problem is attention. > > Once something is filed in bugzilla, it's public, it's easily > accessible, it can easily be found, you can easily add new info. > > Emails? You've flown to Japan to a conference for a week and you have > much better things than to check any email updates. A week worth of > emails have suddenly become worthless. Serious ? Have you ever attended a conference and looked over the shoulder of the person in front of you ? There are 3 types of interfaces you see: - code - slides - mails The last thing people will look at during a conference definitely is a painfully depressive bugtracker interface. However they will see bug reports in their mailbox as they happen to read emails from their boss or customers. > Here's yet another issue, how would you send a follow up if you don't > know the reference ("References" email field)? Instead of a follow up > it'll end up being a new unrelated email. You don't have such a problem with email. It only happens when you try to respond via e-mail to stuff you find in a browser. Willy