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Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: <20221002180844.2e91b1f1@rorschach.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hYH43PNKFMNifBbao336dksMqDiZ/1kccCI7/W5OQbB75JF4IMc Jypay1VNx/0xXyxppt2hRRjJoOOEpe1K7WS/WZk+eMHH6fN3OdtamuoSI6+MD50UbP7d76u J4rjgWD+3FVj5+b/v6D64oGaCV5OKSlONOr0ExR8Gcb4bcGFTmHMMBBezu2saaHhRv8ZPhS F8yfGI8XJducGL8uJ/+MQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:0mnP7+1aEvg=:MgcwMVAR2o2JHwpBDmt3KxaV Ycrfj+CNxX+Lq8+jJogpUqOrgnCEpHUf6waHq1kKzTezUlchPFXQ3MeWY4n3he2biN5hKVU4l 1KMrz9YqjsvExKRsjpG7to//oBLcs3aOzbKa2v6tzgT0Rh9pyybhqA7PFVgtepHdYT2G9ysZ5 GmTNrzfHO7axEyTs3H4/AbaRx2a19bF54PVhxkxMRcWuG6oYwFBTxarrTW8XVvageuyskQJ0r I7KIn3yr3/8GOjDqy5FoNTO+OODu+e2AHmNC2P9qn7G5pKHw6YbbUwazzdwFlikFV8PDcsmWz mIlFlD6B38PvkVBpVuXPtptRcytLykd5ZApFR5bh/cMguvHXHtqp3nGaaoPKPmSdlkkSUHzY/ xa59RtiXqy6RV+rWow7urGl/s91E8JzqzeCvBhRUsHsdn+4Vs4YNr0bxrYA3IpR5EbxIBrxzx 0o2O9QPf+Df0otp4p7vxNoQ/BADZcxLduAQvA3c39fSsQoXUsa41ojwpQ3M0BL+PEoeKxgyCK lwqtNIxoNq3Ow4MsdoE4WEKbVQcYlhbZG7LZ/FIvUymnz0L5LdeLeUH89x9jgIYNNeBvlYPDL ZVeplWjwO+HSw8WHF6Aamrukw1904oCjfC2EeG9J39YB+HBq8DefA1ISwmespyCkIT0YUHesM y8Ye+N7WGupI/WQIT9boW5syQtCJ7vIlnpgyPPVPPL3C8+UHfV057j67/z5zR9kgsBSuFbkII FOFDLlqEHHOWYw3bGP8vd7atf2kKQmRPZ30M3LuPCxhFS+oMUa9afDMGdolGIU3Bf9gkA1HXX OS6GY6tnZl4xSc2tJTVPzJlZ0uJtIKhEXcGAnylRXYpuHl2i3SNHH9bLPXWVvvO7PLixisZFj 1h00qkfARtAu5NCaKfYnz1n07TGdInIF7/JJi7i2LMQaIihg1sGD6IVyOd/1hmzdD1/9QjOur HBPUkndjpPhR82/gcuIbA8G7xJaUtTbb/NZi3rbN/0FrbKM9Xa/kIbhWGt6JCkjaFXsYEO/Kd qHdLDFWO1tIcs6zP+IEDZ1Xi0CXf2pBiC6AmaiIAXQSQZH/bbNMhmbwnhmxOJN+TPkLLKe7fU yPoGrqT2lEEadetx5PbnYAKV9Xq75kaPgJGYlg+gHfzVVrRqP5xVm1HoC+DS/xnLIpwuLhxGO Z5cgl/D9nXIUcdiwtFuKfgjf2pMo+hb3J/mddlHBYpKd9A== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/2/22 22:08, Steven Rostedt wrote: Sometime mailing lists are worth CC'ing, sometimes individual developers when you can easily find/bisect the bad commit. Bugzilla hasn't been updated in a very long time so it's missing both mailing lists and individual kernel developers. AFAIK, some pieces of kernel have no appropriate mailing lists at all. What about that? I've no clue. Opt-in will work, except I've no idea how to make it work. Mass email all the kernel developers and politely invite them to sign up? Most will simply ignore it. It's been mentioned here several times already that even collecting their public email addresses in public git logs could be considered illega= l. There's too much resistance, too much "Mail will work for everyone" except when it doesn't. I've got a strong feeling inving me to this discussion was a bad mistake and no one even remotely likes my proposals. Sorry, I give up. Best regards, Artem