Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755992AbXFYM6T (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:58:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752429AbXFYM6G (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:58:06 -0400 Received: from mail.suse.de ([195.135.220.2]:37507 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751958AbXFYM6D (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:58:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:58:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: Takashi Iwai To: Olivier Galibert Cc: Tomasz K?oczko , Alan Cox , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Is it time for remove (crap) ALSA from kernel tree ? In-Reply-To: <20070625124442.GA44019@dspnet.fr.eu.org> References: <20070624200837.16e11305@the-village.bc.nu> <20070624215724.025a5de5@the-village.bc.nu> <20070625124442.GA44019@dspnet.fr.eu.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.5 (beta27) (fiddleheads) (+CVS-20060704) (i386-suse-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1604 Lines: 39 At Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:44:42 +0200, Olivier Galibert wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 02:31:08PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > So, do you mean the soft-mixing is the biggest issue? That's just a > > part of a design issue, and if we want to go to that way, the > > impelemtation would be trivial, regardless on ALSA or not. Totally > > irrelevant argument regarding "remove ALSA". > > Soft mixing is actually the biggest issue because if you had > generalized soft-mixing in the kernel-visible audio ports[1] you would > win two things: > > - programs could use the OSS API without interfering with the ALSA one > or which each other > > - programs coult use the ALSA kernel API directly without interfering > either, which would allow alternative libalsa implementations for > those who hate the current one > > Frankly, mandatory libraries are extremely annoying, and mandatory > extremely complex overdesigned libraries are simply unbearable. Hm... I don't agree much with the virtual relay device solution. I once experimentally implemented an ALSA-OSS virtual kernel driver. But, it just gives more complexity. Yes, the library solution has merits and demerits. The library should have been differently designed. But, I don't think the virtual relay is the best solution just because you can use a bare kernel interface... Takashi - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/