Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20;
Message-ID: <477635db-c89b-cfd3-cd26-fea51bb094a5@redhat.com>
Date:   Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:57:19 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/102.2.1
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
 blues"
Content-Language: en-US, nl
To:     Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
        Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc:     "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>,
        ksummit <ksummit@lists.linux.dev>, workflows@vger.kernel.org,
        LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
        "regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>
References: <aa876027-1038-3e4a-b16a-c144f674c0b0@leemhuis.info>
 <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local>
 <c74d9d75-4428-e22d-1adb-334b1173d871@leemhuis.info>
 <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local>
 <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info>
From:   Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
In-Reply-To: <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Precedence: bulk

Hi,

On 10/5/22 11:00, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 04.10.22 22:25, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 10:06:28PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>>> Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software
>>> abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a
>>> maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our
>>> dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it.
>>> Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that
>>> time and effort to build something better that is more future proof?
>>
>> Unfortunately, there's no such thing. ;) And maybe we'll even help tip the
>> course of history into the other direction -- Red Hat uses bugzilla, and so
>> does OpenSuse, so there's a pretty good core of well-funded companies that
>> would be in a position to help keep bugzilla going if it's looking like the
>> platform is still alive. Or that could all be wishful thinking and they'll all
>> migrate to Jira or something equally horrible, who knows.
> 
> Well, Red Hat apparently is already in the process of migrating to Jira
> in the long run:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/U7TZRWXVUGBCHS6EBJIBSFAVPFUHHV7J/
> 
> To quote that mail from March:
> 
> ```
> As some of you may know, Red Hat has been using both Bugzilla and Jira
> via issues.redhat.com for RHEL development for several years.  Our
> intention is to move to using issues.redhat.com only for the major
> RHEL releases after RHEL 9.
> ```

That is for RHEL only though I'm not sure what the plans for Fedora are.

Also I do believe that the Red Hat bugzilla team is working on porting
bugzilla to postgresql, which would at least fix the problem of depending on
a no longer maintained mysql version.

If the postgresql port is something of interest to keep bugzilla.kernel.org
going for now, then it is probably best to just directly contact the bugzilla
maintainers @redhat.

Regards,

Hans