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From:   Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
To:     Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
Cc:     Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
        Connor O'Brien <connoro@google.com>,
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        John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
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        Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] Reviving the Proxy Execution Series
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On 10/19/22 15:41, Juri Lelli wrote:
> On 19/10/22 08:23, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Oct 19, 2022, at 7:43 AM, Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io> wrote:
> > > 
> > > ﻿On 10/17/22 02:23, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > 
> > >> I ran a test to check CFS time sharing. The accounting on top is confusing,
> > >> but ftrace confirms the proxying happening.
> > >> 
> > >> Task A - pid 122
> > >> Task B - pid 123
> > >> Task C - pid 121
> > >> Task D - pid 124
> > >> 
> > >> Here D and B just spin all the time. C is lock owner (in-kernel mutex) and
> > >> spins all the time, while A blocks on the same in-kernel mutex and remains
> > >> blocked.
> > >> 
> > >> Then I did "top -H" while the test was running which gives below output.
> > >> The first column is PID, and the third-last column is CPU percentage.
> > >> 
> > >> Without PE:
> > >>  121 root      20   0   99496   4   0 R  33.6   0.0   0:02.76 t  (task C)
> > >>  123 root      20   0   99496   4   0 R  33.2   0.0   0:02.75 t  (task B)
> > >>  124 root      20   0   99496   4   0 R  33.2   0.0   0:02.75 t  (task D)
> > >> 
> > >> With PE:
> > >>  PID
> > >>  122 root      20   0   99496   4   0 D  25.3   0.0   0:22.21 t  (task A)
> > >>  121 root      20   0   99496   4   0 R  25.0   0.0   0:22.20 t  (task C)
> > >>  123 root      20   0   99496   4   0 R  25.0   0.0   0:22.20 t  (task B)
> > >>  124 root      20   0   99496   4   0 R  25.0   0.0   0:22.20 t  (task D)
> > >> 
> > >> With PE, I was expecting 2 threads with 25% and 1 thread with 50%. Instead I
> > >> get 4 threads with 25% in the top. Ftrace confirms that the D-state task is
> > >> in fact not running and proxying to the owner task so everything seems
> > >> working correctly, but the accounting seems confusing, as in, it is confusing
> > >> to see the D-state task task taking 25% CPU when it is obviously "sleeping".
> > >> 
> > >> Yeah, yeah, I know D is proxying for C (while being in the uninterruptible
> > >> sleep state), so may be it is OK then, but I did want to bring this up :-)
> > > 
> > > I seem to remember Valentin raised similar issue about how userspace view can
> > > get confusing/misleading:
> > > 
> > >    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNOT20aCEg&t=3h21m41s
> > 
> > Thanks for the pointer! Glad to see the consensus was that this is not
> > acceptable.
> > 
> > I think we ought to write a patch to fix the accounting, for this
> > series. I propose adding 2 new entries to proc/pid/stat which I think
> > Juri was also sort of was alluding to:
> > 
> > 1. Donated time.
> > 2. Proxied time.
> 
> Sounds like a useful addition, at least from a debugging point of view.

They look useful addition to me too.

> 
> > User space can then add or subtract this, to calculate things
> > correctly. Or just display them in new columns. I think it will also
> > actually show how much the proxying is happening for a use case.
> 
> Guess we'll however need to be backward compatible with old userspace?
> Probably reporting the owner as running while proxied (as in the
> comparison case vs. rtmutexes Valentin showed).
> 

Or invent a new task_state? Doesn't have to be a real one, just report a new
letter for tasks in PE state. We could use 'r' to indicate running BUT..


Cheers

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Qais Yousef