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From: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>
To: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
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Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Rob Landley wrote:

> > So anyone perfectly happy with an older distro that didn't
> > ship python2-and-whatever-else gets screwed when they want to
> > build a newer kernel. Nice.
>
> 1) Moving from 2.2->2.4, it wouldn't work at all without a newer compiler and
> newer modutils, and it really helped to have a C library and eight zillion
> other things upgraded.  So talking about what 2.6 will need that's an amazing
> red herring.

My comment was in regard to the subthread concerning the backport of
CML2 to 2.4 only. Not 2.5/2.6. Yes, tools need to be upgraded
OVER MAJOR VERSIONS. I was not debating that.

> 2) In terms of a 2.4 backport, if the old stuff isn't removed (the current
> garbage that does menuconfig et al), then who cares?

Anyone maintaining Config.in files. What you're proposing doubles the
amount of work to keep them up to date. Especially for out-of-tree code.

> It's also Marcelo's call.

Absolutely.

> It's not about the fact that reiserfs, ext3, and a new VM subsystem went
> into 2.4 but THIS is way too much

And did any of these require updated tools to build the kernel ?
No. I could take a kernel with these features, and build it on
a 6 month old distro.

> it's a group of people bitching about python because they don't like the
> concept of significant whitespace.

Crap. It's about not screwing over an installed userbase for a
feature that is nothing more than a "Nice to have" add-on for 2.4.

It's taken us long enough to get 2.4 where it is, hopefully the
days of things getting shovelled in enmasse are over.

>  Technically speaking, this is another variant of the good old
> indentation/coding style thread that just won't die.

I recommend "Kill by thread". Works wonders.

regards,
Dave.

-- 
| Dave Jones.        http://www.codemonkey.org.uk
| SuSE Labs

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