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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id cw9-20020a170906478900b007a7d37e4684si208606ejc.803.2022.10.24.09.56.25; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 09:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@lwn.net header.s=20201203 header.b=JHIqJ8EJ; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231627AbiJXQhP (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:37:15 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:40362 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233801AbiJXQgv (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:36:51 -0400 Received: from ms.lwn.net (ms.lwn.net [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:3a1::42]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65176F5B9; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 08:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2601:281:8300:73::5f6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ms.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55F78536; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 15:22:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 ms.lwn.net 55F78536 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lwn.net; s=20201203; t=1666624957; bh=ub/NiVzLa6HBZJJBiSAa2GMcLMcYmZckslwWQlmrqy4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=JHIqJ8EJG3tdXg4Ys9d25wmZIms7d+6PwhrAmVSPfB8UVpEKtxcGwHSI3SSw5bM4H ogsSPqmQ4R0j+5SwNGzogEO9e9CW1xt7xuUYDhDLuLMPN0HKXxZuFYq2+QRQG/VU4Z xFC6wE9tz1GNBDiTT1G38IKx+s6WZgoHl3EeS26e19A6qZNCKWoo05ASboRTycu+Wz ZssUP6b9cBUlrApTsiC1s0jtxTu1Y+c5uALYJfParh05aMoyqWmvivK2VQET6MZ8lZ uaNtLaTVt3C45gk8ME8gQQOwsdxbZV7Q8ezLu94Zl+1odwntlybZvjmnA7a9t+ZJVz mSz+KeYAAcEyQ== From: Jonathan Corbet To: Matthew Wilcox , Carlos Bilbao Cc: Akira Yokosawa , bilbao@vt.edu, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com, Federico Vaga , Alex Shi , Yanteng Si Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] Documentation: Start translations to Spanish In-Reply-To: References: <20221014142454.871196-2-carlos.bilbao@amd.com> <48b4a5a1-2a52-4159-699b-9db73a012892@gmail.com> <8e2a1da1-2914-b223-85b0-a769339d9c39@gmail.com> <9e65ba16-68d3-8d11-c6ac-c35c29026688@amd.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 09:22:36 -0600 Message-ID: <87a65lfdqb.fsf@meer.lwn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org [Adding some of the other folks interested in translations] Matthew Wilcox writes: > I think we're better off following BCP 47: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp47 rather than the libc locale format. > That will imply renaming it_IT to simply "it", ja_JP to "ja" and > ko_KR to "ko". The two Chinese translations we have might be called > "zh-Hant" and "zh-Hans", if the distinction is purely Traditional vs > Simplified script. If they really are region based, then they'd be > zh-CN and zh-TW. > > I think you're right to conflate all dialects of Spanish together, just > as we do all dialects of English. > > Jon, this feels like policy you should be setting. Are you on board > with this, or do you want to retain the mandatory geography tag that > we've been using up to now? I want to go hide somewhere :) I'd kind of prefer to avoid renaming the existing translations, as that is sure to create a certain amount of short-term pain. But I guess we could do that if the benefit somehow seems worth it. Of course, if we're thrashing things, we could also just call them "Italian" (or "Italiano"), "Chinese", and so on. I don't *think* there's a need for the names to be machine-readable. We should stick with ASCII for these names just to help those of us who can't type in other scripts. If asked to set a policy today, my kneejerk reaction would be to leave things as they are just to avoid a bunch of churn. But I don't have a strong opinion on how this naming should actually be done, as long as we can pick something and be happy with it thereafter. What do the translation maintainers think? Thanks, jon