Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760308AbXHEM5S (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:57:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756117AbXHEM5H (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:57:07 -0400 Received: from mx3.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.1.138]:50748 "EHLO mx3.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750927AbXHEM5G (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:57:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:56:49 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: Alan Cox Cc: J??rn Engel , Jeff Garzik , Linus Torvalds , Peter Zijlstra , linux-mm@kvack.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , miklos@szeredi.hu, akpm@linux-foundation.org, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com, tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com, trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, yingchao.zhou@gmail.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk, david@lang.hm Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Message-ID: <20070805125649.GB22060@elte.hu> References: <46B4C0A8.1000902@garzik.org> <20070804191205.GA24723@lazybastard.org> <20070804192130.GA25346@elte.hu> <20070804211156.5f600d80@the-village.bc.nu> <20070804202830.GA4538@elte.hu> <20070804210351.GA9784@elte.hu> <20070804225121.5c7b66e0@the-village.bc.nu> <20070805072141.GA4414@elte.hu> <20070805134750.691e2e74@the-village.bc.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070805134750.691e2e74@the-village.bc.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamScore: -1.0 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-1.0 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.0.3 -1.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1315 Lines: 31 * Alan Cox wrote: > > > we can move from atime to noatime by default on FC8 with > > > appropriate release note warnings and having a couple of betas to > > > find out what other than mutt goes boom. > > > > btw., Mutt does not go boom, i use it myself. It works just fine and > > notices new mails even on a noatime,nodiratime filesystem. > > Configuration dependant, and also mutt and the shell will misreport > new mail with noatime on the mail spool. The shell should probably use > inotify of course but that change has to be made. just to quote from this same email thread: | I too use mutt and noatime,nodiratime everywhere (same 10 year-old | thinko), and the only side effect is that when I have a new mail, it | is reported in all of my xterms until I read it, clearly something I | can live with (and sometimes it's even desirable). | | In fact, mutt is pretty good at this. It updates atime and ctime | itself as soon as it opens the mbox, so the shell is happy and only | reports "you have mail" afterwards. Ingo - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/