Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936072AbXHHAO7 (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:14:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1761450AbXHHAOs (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:14:48 -0400 Received: from shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net ([24.71.223.10]:20935 "EHLO pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758520AbXHHAOq (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:14:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:14:24 -0600 From: Robert Hancock Subject: Re: Disk spin down issue on shut down/suspend to disk In-reply-to: To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh Cc: Tejun Heo , Michael Sedkowski , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org Message-id: <46B90AE0.2070403@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1540 Lines: 31 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Tejun Heo wrote: >> emergency unload. Emergency unload does shorten the lifespan of the >> disk but you don't have to worry too much about it. Disks are designed >> to withstand certain number of emergency unloads. > > You *do* have to worry about it in any box you turn off daily. Desktop HDs > will croak fast in that scenario, laptop HDs less so, but still too fast. > > A very good laptop HD can last about 20k emergency unloads (this is a unit > that can do about 600k normal unloads in its lifetime). Desktop and server > HDs don't even come close to those numbers, last time I checked. It only matters on hard drives which actually use load-unload heads. Lots of desktop/server drives (perhaps some laptop ones as well) still use contact start/stop, which doesn't remove the heads from the platters on shutdown but just parks the heads over the landing zone. I don't think arbitrary power-offs make too much difference on those drives. (However, these generally aren't rated to handle as many start/stop cycles, which is why laptop drives generally use load/unload instead.) -- Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada To email, remove "nospam" from hancockr@nospamshaw.ca Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/