Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:37:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:35:37 -0500 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:57988 "EHLO bitmover.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:35:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:35:16 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Alan Cox Cc: Larry McVoy , "David S. Miller" , phillips@bonn-fries.net, davidel@xmailserver.org, rusty@rustcorp.com.au, Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com, riel@conectiva.com.br, lars.spam@nocrew.org, hps@intermeta.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: SMP/cc Cluster description Message-ID: <20011206143516.P27589@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Alan Cox , Larry McVoy , "David S. Miller" , phillips@bonn-fries.net, davidel@xmailserver.org, rusty@rustcorp.com.au, Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com, riel@conectiva.com.br, lars.spam@nocrew.org, hps@intermeta.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20011206122116.H27589@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:37:18PM +0000 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:37:18PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > problem. Scheduler, networking, device drivers, everything. That's > > thousands of locks and uncountable bugs, not to mention the impact on > > uniprocessor performance. > > Most of my block drivers in Linux have one lock. The block queuing layer > has one lock which is often the same lock. Hooray! That's great and that's the way I'd like to keep it. Do you think you can do that on a 64 way SMP? Not much chance, right? > > You tell me - which is easier, multithreading the networking stack to > > 64 way SMP or running 64 distinct networking stacks? > > Which is easier. Managing 64 routers or managing 1 router ? That's a red herring, there are not 64 routers in either picture, there are 64 ethernet interfaces in both pictures. So let me rephrase the question: given 64 ethernets, 64 CPUs, on one machine, what's easier, 1 multithreaded networking stack or 64 independent networking stacks? -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/