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From:   "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Date:   Wed, 16 Nov 2022 13:00:36 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] PCI/ACPI: PCI/ACPI: Validate devices with power
 resources support D3
To:     Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc:     "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
        "Limonciello, Mario" <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
        Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
        Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
        Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
        Mehta Sanju <Sanju.Mehta@amd.com>,
        Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
        "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 1:37 AM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 04:33:52PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:42 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 12:58:28PM -0600, Limonciello, Mario wrote:
> > > > On 11/11/2022 11:41, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 05:33:55PM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > > > > > Firmware typically advertises that ACPI devices that represent PCIe
> > > > > > devices can support D3 by a combination of the value returned by
> > > > > > _S0W as well as the HotPlugSupportInD3 _DSD [1].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > `acpi_pci_bridge_d3` looks for this combination but also contains
> > > > > > an assumption that if an ACPI device contains power resources the PCIe
> > > > > > device it's associated with can support D3.  This was introduced
> > > > > > from commit c6e331312ebf ("PCI/ACPI: Whitelist hotplug ports for
> > > > > > D3 if power managed by ACPI").
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some firmware configurations for "AMD Pink Sardine" do not support
> > > > > > wake from D3 in _S0W for the ACPI device representing the PCIe root
> > > > > > port used for tunneling. The PCIe device will still be opted into
> > > > > > runtime PM in the kernel [2] because of the logic within
> > > > > > `acpi_pci_bridge_d3`. This currently happens because the ACPI
> > > > > > device contains power resources.
> > >
> > > Wait.  Is this as simple as just recognizing that:
> > >
> > >   _PS0 means the OS has a knob to put the device in D0, but it doesn't
> > >   mean the device can wake itself from a low-power state.  The OS has
> > >   to use _S0W to learn the device's ability to wake itself.
> >
> > It is.
>
> Now I'm confused again about what "HotPlugSupportInD3" means.  The MS
> web page [1] says it identifies Root Ports capable of handling hot
> plug events while in D3.  That sounds kind of related to _S0W: If _S0W
> says "I can wake myself from D3hot and D3cold", how is that different
> from "I can handle hotplug events in D3"?

For native PME/hot-plug signaling there is no difference.  This is the
same interrupt by the spec after all IIRC.

For GPE-based signaling, though, there is a difference, because GPEs
can only be used directly for wake signaling (this is related to
_PRW).  In particular, the only provision in the ACPI spec for device
hot-add are the Bus Check and Device Check notification values (0 and
1) which require AML to run and evaluate Notify() on specific AML
objects.

Hence, there is no spec-defined way to tell the OS that "something can
be hot-added under this device while in D3 and you will get notified
about that".

> This patch says that if dev's Root Port has "HotPlugSupportInD3", we
> don't need _PS0 or _PR0 for dev.  I guess that must be true, because
> previously the fact that we checked for "HotPlugSupportInD3" meant the
> device did NOT have _PS0 or _PR0.
>
> [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/pci/dsd-for-pcie-root-ports#identifying-pcie-root-ports-supporting-hot-plug-in-d3