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From:   Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Date:   Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:17:20 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PATCH rcu/dev 3/3] net: Use call_rcu_flush() for dst_destroy_rcu
To:     Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc:     linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
        David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
        Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
        Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
        rostedt@goodmis.org, paulmck@kernel.org, fweisbec@gmail.com,
        jiejiang@google.com
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 7:58 AM Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Eric,
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 07:44:41PM -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:16 PM Joel Fernandes (Google)
> > <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > In a networking test on ChromeOS, we find that using the new CONFIG_RCU_LAZY
> > > causes a networking test to fail in the teardown phase.
> > >
> > > The failure happens during: ip netns del <name>
> >
> > And ? What happens then next ?
>
> The test is doing the 'ip netns del <name>' and then polling for the
> disappearance of a network interface name for upto 5 seconds. I believe it is
> using netlink to get a table of interfaces. That polling is timing out.
>
> Here is some more details from the test's owner (copy pasting from another
> bug report):
> In the cleanup, we remove the netns, and thus will cause the veth pair being
> removed automatically, so we use a poll to check that if the veth in the root
> netns still exists to know whether the cleanup is done.
>
> Here is a public link to the code that is failing (its in golang):
> https://source.chromium.org/chromiumos/chromiumos/codesearch/+/main:src/platform/tast-tests/src/chromiumos/tast/local/network/virtualnet/env/env.go;drc=6c2841d6cc3eadd23e07912ec331943ee33d7de8;l=161
>
> Here is a public link to the line of code in the actual test leading up to the above
> path (this is the test that is run:
> network.RoutingFallthrough.ipv4_only_primary) :
> https://source.chromium.org/chromiumos/chromiumos/codesearch/+/main:src/platform/tast-tests/src/chromiumos/tast/local/bundles/cros/network/routing_fallthrough.go;drc=8fbf2c53960bc8917a6a01fda5405cad7c17201e;l=52
>
> > > Using ftrace, I found the callbacks it was queuing which this series fixes. Use
> > > call_rcu_flush() to revert to the old behavior. With that, the test passes.
> >
> > What is this test about ? What barrier was used to make it not flaky ?
>
> I provided the links above, let me know if you have any questions.
>
> > Was it depending on some undocumented RCU behavior ?
>
> This is a new RCU feature posted here for significant power-savings on
> battery-powered devices:
> https://lore.kernel.org/rcu/20221017140726.GG5600@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1/T/#m7a54809b8903b41538850194d67eb34f203c752a
>
> There is also an LPC presentation about the same, I can dig the link if you
> are interested.
>
> > Maybe adding a sysctl to force the flush would be better for functional tests ?
> >
> > I would rather change the test(s), than adding call_rcu_flush(),
> > adding merge conflicts to future backports.
>
> I am not too sure about that, I think a user might expect the network
> interface to disappear from the networking tables quickly enough without
> dealing with barriers or kernel iternals. However, I added the authors of the
> test to this email in the hopes he can provide is point of views as well.
>
> The general approach we are taking with this sort of thing is to use
> call_rcu_flush() which is basically the same as call_rcu() for systems with
> CALL_RCU_LAZY=n. You can see some examples of that in the patch series link
> above. Just to note, CALL_RCU_LAZY depends on CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU so its only
> Android and ChromeOS that are using it. I am adding Jie to share any input,
> he is from the networking team and knows this test well.
>
>

I do not know what is this RCU_LAZY thing, but IMO this should be opt-in

For instance, only kfree_rcu() should use it.

We can not review hundreds of call_rcu() call sites and decide if
adding arbitrary delays cou hurt .