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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id jb14-20020a170903258e00b0018907d64909si9851190plb.325.2022.11.22.04.38.12; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 04:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@suse.cz header.s=susede2_rsa header.b=aaf7AvVS; dkim=neutral (no key) header.i=@suse.cz header.s=susede2_ed25519; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233069AbiKVLuw (ORCPT + 90 others); Tue, 22 Nov 2022 06:50:52 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39918 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233407AbiKVLuq (ORCPT ); Tue, 22 Nov 2022 06:50:46 -0500 Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de (smtp-out1.suse.de [195.135.220.28]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0A522649B; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 03:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de [192.168.254.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-521) server-digest SHA512) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623B221DF6; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:50:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.cz; s=susede2_rsa; t=1669117843; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=2NLPPfPbXlzc9i/UApoe0eWMkGXj0rSu14qKp78k83Q=; b=aaf7AvVSTti7nWTsOAhtHAbmUjXO5oF/M0gRQkqDM9n1/Kb4qfy7y2EGj4D6X5Hm8dJvr/ iReg3lu/HilnKT6lrbqIlioO3/1KgXpI0t+F0s6Dv+U3zYfVkPSKi+h8x8YYvxXaMe34vW KdefrqR3x0yAZGtaIUTZOW5EWfg5exk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.cz; s=susede2_ed25519; t=1669117843; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=2NLPPfPbXlzc9i/UApoe0eWMkGXj0rSu14qKp78k83Q=; b=whym30YgCMTfGJ3hGiBVRplm8FQ1g3T/JAPm7pM264eA9NzLo98RlPC2aaI23YwCUTegbp ncvYD4qHnMFcRaAw== Received: from imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de [192.168.254.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-521) server-digest SHA512) (No client certificate requested) by imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55EEB13AA1; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([192.168.254.65]) by imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de with ESMTPSA id LajrFJO3fGMnEgAAMHmgww (envelope-from ); Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:50:43 +0000 Received: by quack3.suse.cz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7AB3A070E; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 12:50:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 12:50:42 +0100 From: Jan Kara To: Stephen Brennan Cc: Jan Kara , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Al Viro , Amir Goldstein Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/5] fsnotify: fix softlockups iterating over d_subdirs Message-ID: <20221122115042.qssn25wbtxxhaeys@quack3> References: <20221028001016.332663-1-stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com> <20221111220614.991928-1-stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20221111220614.991928-1-stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Stephen! On Fri 11-11-22 14:06:09, Stephen Brennan wrote: > Here's my v4 patch series that aims to eliminate soft lockups when updating > dentry flags in fsnotify. I've incorporated Jan's suggestion of simply > allowing the flag to be lazily cleared in the fsnotify_parent() function, > via Amir's patch. This allowed me to drop patch #2 from my previous series > (fsnotify: Protect i_fsnotify_mask and child flags with inode rwsem). I > replaced it with "fsnotify: require inode lock held during child flag > update", patch #5 in this series. I also added "dnotify: move > fsnotify_recalc_mask() outside spinlock" to address the sleep-during-atomic > issues with dnotify. Yes, the series is now much simpler. Thanks! > Jan expressed concerns about lock ordering of the inode rwsem with the > fsnotify group mutex. I built this with lockdep enabled (see below for the > lock debugging .config section -- I'm not too familiar with lockdep so I > wanted a sanity check). I ran all the fanotify, inotify, and dnotify tests > I could find in LTP, with no lockdep splats to be found. I don't know that > this can completely satisfy the concerns about lock ordering: I'm reading > through the code to better understand the concern about "the removal of > oneshot mark during modify event generation". But I'm encouraged by the > LTP+lockdep results. So I had a look and I think your patches could cause deadlock at least for nfsd. The problem is with things like inotify IN_ONESHOT marks. They get autodeleted as soon as they trigger. Thus e.g. fsnotify_mkdir() can trigger IN_ONESHOT mark and goes on removing it by calling fsnotify_destroy_mark() from inotify_handle_inode_event(). And nfsd calls e.g. fsnotify_mkdir() while holding dir->i_rwsem held. So we have lock ordering like: nfsd_mkdir() inode_lock(dir); ... __nfsd_mkdir(dir, ...) fsnotify_mkdir(dir, dentry); ... inotify_handle_inode_event() ... fsnotify_destroy_mark() fsnotify_group_lock(group) So we have dir->i_rwsem > group->mark_mutex. But we also have callchains like: inotify_add_watch() inotify_update_watch() fsnotify_group_lock(group) inotify_update_existing_watch() ... fsnotify_recalc_mask() inode_lock(dir); -> added by your series which creates ordering group->mark_mutex > dir->i_rwsem. It is even worse with dnotify which (even with your patches) ends up calling fsnotify_recalc_mask() from dnotify_handle_event() so we have a possibility of direct A->A deadlock. But I'd leave dnotify aside, I think that can be massaged to not need to call fsnotify_recalc_mask() (__fsnotify_recalc_mask() would be enough there). Still I'm not 100% sure about a proper way out of this. The simplicity of alias->d_subdirs iteration with i_rwsem held is compeling. We could mandate that fsnotify hooks cannot be called with inode->i_rwsem held (and fixup nfsd) but IMO that is pushing the complexity from the fsnotify core into its users which is undesirable. Maybe we could grab inode->i_rwsem in those places adding / removing notification marks before we grab group->mark_mutex, just verify (with lockdep) that fsnotify_recalc_mask() has the inode->i_rwsem held and be done with it? That pushes a bit of complexity into the fsnotify backends but it is not too bad. fsnotify_recalc_mask() gets only called by dnotify, inotify, and fanotify. Amir? > I originally wrote this series to make the last patch (#5) optional: if for > some reason we didn't think it was necessary to hold the inode rwsem, then > we could omit it -- the main penalty being the race condition described in > the patch description. I tested without the last patch and LTP passed also > with lockdep enabled, but of course when multiple tasks did an inotifywait > on the same directory (with many negative dentries) only the first waited > for the flag updates, the rest of the tasks immediately returned despite > the flags not being ready. > > I agree with Amir that as long as the lock ordering is fine, we should keep > patch #5. And if that's the case, I can reorder the series a bit to make it > a bit more logical, and eliminate logic in > fsnotify_update_children_dentry_flags() for handling d_move/cursor races, > which I promptly delete later in the series. > > 1. fsnotify: clear PARENT_WATCHED flags lazily > 2. fsnotify: Use d_find_any_alias to get dentry associated with inode > 3. dnotify: move fsnotify_recalc_mask() outside spinlock > 4. fsnotify: require inode lock held during child flag update > 5. fsnotify: allow sleepable child flag update > > Thanks for continuing to read this series, I hope we're making progress > toward a simpler way to fix these scaling issues! Yeah, so I'd be for making sure i_rwsem is held where we need it first and only after that add reschedule handling into fsnotify_update_children_dentry_flags(). That makes the series more logical. Honza -- Jan Kara SUSE Labs, CR