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Date:   Thu, 24 Nov 2022 08:03:56 +0800
From:   Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To:     Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/10] block: Add copy offload support infrastructure
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 03:37:12PM +0530, Nitesh Shetty wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 04:04:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 11:28:19AM +0530, Nitesh Shetty wrote:
> > > Introduce blkdev_issue_copy which supports source and destination bdevs,
> > > and an array of (source, destination and copy length) tuples.
> > > Introduce REQ_COPY copy offload operation flag. Create a read-write
> > > bio pair with a token as payload and submitted to the device in order.
> > > Read request populates token with source specific information which
> > > is then passed with write request.
> > > This design is courtesy Mikulas Patocka's token based copy
> > 
> > I thought this patchset is just for enabling copy command which is
> > supported by hardware. But turns out it isn't, because blk_copy_offload()
> > still submits read/write bios for doing the copy.
> > 
> > I am just wondering why not let copy_file_range() cover this kind of copy,
> > and the framework has been there.
> > 
> 
> Main goal was to enable copy command, but community suggested to add
> copy emulation as well.
> 
> blk_copy_offload - actually issues copy command in driver layer.
> The way read/write BIOs are percieved is different for copy offload.
> In copy offload we check REQ_COPY flag in NVMe driver layer to issue
> copy command. But we did missed it to add in other driver's, where they
> might be treated as normal READ/WRITE.
> 
> blk_copy_emulate - is used if we fail or if device doesn't support native
> copy offload command. Here we do READ/WRITE. Using copy_file_range for
> emulation might be possible, but we see 2 issues here.
> 1. We explored possibility of pulling dm-kcopyd to block layer so that we 
> can readily use it. But we found it had many dependecies from dm-layer.
> So later dropped that idea.

Is it just because dm-kcopyd supports async copy? If yes, I believe we
can reply on io_uring for implementing async copy_file_range, which will
be generic interface for async copy, and could get better perf.

> 2. copy_file_range, for block device atleast we saw few check's which fail
> it for raw block device. At this point I dont know much about the history of
> why such check is present.

Got it, but IMO the check in generic_copy_file_checks() can be
relaxed to cover blkdev cause splice does support blkdev.

Then your bdev offload copy work can be simplified into:

1) implement .copy_file_range for def_blk_fops, suppose it is
blkdev_copy_file_range()

2) inside blkdev_copy_file_range()

- if the bdev supports offload copy, just submit one bio to the device,
and this will be converted to one pt req to device

- otherwise, fallback to generic_copy_file_range()

> 
> > When I was researching pipe/splice code for supporting ublk zero copy[1], I
> > have got idea for async copy_file_range(), such as: io uring based
> > direct splice, user backed intermediate buffer, still zero copy, if these
> > ideas are finally implemented, we could get super-fast generic offload copy,
> > and bdev copy is really covered too.
> > 
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20221103085004.1029763-1-ming.lei@redhat.com/
> > 
> 
> Seems interesting, We will take a look into this.

BTW, that is probably one direction of ublk's async zero copy IO too.


Thanks, 
Ming