Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:06:16 +0100
From: Jose Celestino <japc@co.sapo.pt>
To: Marc Perkel <mperkel@yahoo.com>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re: The vi editor causes brain damage
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Words by Marc Perkel [Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700]:
> 
> --- Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby
> > wrote:
> > > Marc Perkel napsal(a):
> > > > Let me give you and example of the difference
> > between
> > > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking
> > and
> > > > what it's like out here in the real world.
> > > > 
> > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type:
> > > > 
> > > > rm *
> > > > 
> > > > What do you get?
> > > > 
> > > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long
> > > 
> > > What does this have to do with rm command?
> > 
> > Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc
> > confuses shell and rm.
> > Under DOS, when he types "del *", the shell calls
> > the builtin function
> > "del" and passes it only one argument "*". The del
> > function is then
> > responsible for iterating through the files using
> > getfirst/getnext.
> > 
> > This is also why mostly only builtin shell commands
> > support "*", while
> > most external commands do not support it, since they
> > have to re-implement
> > the same code to iterate through the files (try
> > "debug c*.com", it will
> > not work).
> > 
> > Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the
> > 10000 file names to
> > the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because
> > 10000 names in arguments
> > can require too much memory. That's why find and
> > xargs were invented!
> > 
> > The solution is easy : find . -maxdepth 1 | xargs rm
> > 
> > So this has nothing to do with rm, nor with rm being
> > open-source, and
> > even less with rm being written with vi, and Marc's
> > rant is totally
> > wrong and off-topic. Maybe he was drunk when
> > posting, or maybe someone
> > used his keyboard to make him look like a complete
> > fool. Or maybe he
> > really is.
> > 
> > Willy
> > (please do not follow up on this OT thread,
> > responses to /dev/null)
> > 
> 
> The important point that you are missing here is that
> the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command
> that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't.
> This isn't about the rm command it's about programming
> standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't
> committed to getting it right.
> 

Yuhu! The rm command isn't broken (nothing is broken related to this).
Have you been reading? Can you even (read)?

Fscking troll.

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Jose Celestino
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