Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757391AbXHTHrW (ORCPT ); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:47:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751863AbXHTHrO (ORCPT ); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:47:14 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.236]:54935 "EHLO wx-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751840AbXHTHrN (ORCPT ); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:47:13 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EJrU4z7ALNpDiIEZDYsPEhmdBEicK6t4ypsAHVFxSIMKFQi+kHIAY85bSiaUcJ/tU4DPtjz/t2n6+Oea5brRsHdR5pPNJCJZ6HMd9eYTQ20+3T/PlylaFCfc1pTFg8StCVlK0QWg+gUcG9RI56jhfngz2fpgACUtjm643tb2qfY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:47:10 -0700 From: "Brennan Ashton" To: Nix Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems Cc: "Marc Perkel" , "Al Viro" , "Kyle Moffett" , "Phillip Susi" , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "Michael Tharp" , alan , "LKML Kernel" , "Lennart Sorensen" , "Al Viro" In-Reply-To: <877inqofdm.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <900404.40407.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <877inqofdm.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2192 Lines: 42 While i highly support innovation, until i see a well layed out structure of what exactly you are looking for i have a hard time expressing any view that are meaningful, could you create some kind of wiki or summery email (if this is really this important to you) most of us are lazy and have better things to do, make it easy for us. A) Create a list of the current problems or just inefficiencies in the current system. B) Create a list of all the points that make up your view of a good file system. C) Cross the two lists showing how your idea would fix the current problems. I am not saying that the current way is the right or wrong way, just that i think you have organised your ideas as if you are thinking out loud by email (which is ok by me, just stop the direct attacks if you are). I agree that every company and program gets caught in a rut, that does not conform to changing markets and technology, especially if it was at one time a success, IBM, Microsoft, Apple, Sun, American Auto Industry to name a few. These are also example companies that have gotten the idea that what they do might not be right way and have made some attempt to step back (some more successfully than others) or face loss in market share. Just remember a key point when rethinking something as key as a file system, while your new battery may be much more efficient than my old AA, i want it to work with my old flashlights too (and no aftermarket refit kit). Should the surroundings be modified for the target, or the target modified for the surroundings? Your little rants about VI and rm are not helpful, if these programs were so bad then why have they survived. Linux is on hell of a project to be put together, sorry but innovation did come from people using VI and Emacs. btw i highly recommend the command man, you should try it. -- Brennan Ashton Bellingham, Washington "The box said, 'Requires Windows 98 or better'. So I installed Linux" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/