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Date:   Wed, 4 Jan 2023 14:52:11 +0200
From:   Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To:     Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/8] dt-bindings: media: add bindings for TI DS90UB913
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Hi Tomi,

On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 10:12:56AM +0200, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> On 26/12/2022 18:46, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 03:36:49PM +0200, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> >> On 11/12/2022 19:21, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 07:13:10PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 12:40:01PM +0200, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> >>>>> Add DT bindings for TI DS90UB913 FPDLink-3 Serializer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>    .../bindings/media/i2c/ti,ds90ub913.yaml      | 121 ++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>    1 file changed, 121 insertions(+)
> >>>>>    create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/i2c/ti,ds90ub913.yaml
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/i2c/ti,ds90ub913.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/i2c/ti,ds90ub913.yaml
> >>>>> new file mode 100644
> >>>>> index 000000000000..3a5b34c6bb64
> >>>>> --- /dev/null
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/i2c/ti,ds90ub913.yaml
> >>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@
> >>>>> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: (GPL-2.0-only OR BSD-2-Clause)
> >>>>> +%YAML 1.2
> >>>>> +---
> >>>>> +$id: http://devicetree.org/schemas/media/i2c/ti,ds90ub913.yaml#
> >>>>> +$schema: http://devicetree.org/meta-schemas/core.yaml#
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +title: Texas Instruments DS90UB913 FPD-Link 3 Serializer
> >>>>
> >>>> I think TI consistently writes it "FPD-Link III". If you rename it,
> >>>> please do so through the whole series.
> >>>>
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +maintainers:
> >>>>> +  - Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com>
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +description:
> >>>>> +  The TI DS90UB913 is an FPD-Link 3 video serializer for parallel video.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +properties:
> >>>>> +  compatible:
> >>>>> +    enum:
> >>>>> +      - ti,ds90ub913a-q1
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the -q1 suffix needed, are there other variants ?
> >>>>
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +  '#gpio-cells':
> >>>>> +    const: 2
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +  gpio-controller: true
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +  clocks:
> >>>>> +    maxItems: 1
> >>>>> +    description:
> >>>>> +      Reference clock connected to the CLKIN pin.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +  clock-names:
> >>>>> +    items:
> >>>>> +      - const: clkin
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +  '#clock-cells':
> >>>>> +    const: 0
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +  ports:
> >>>>> +    $ref: /schemas/graph.yaml#/properties/ports
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +    properties:
> >>>>> +      port@0:
> >>>>> +        $ref: /schemas/graph.yaml#/$defs/port-base
> >>>>> +        unevaluatedProperties: false
> >>>>> +        description: CSI-2 input port
> >>>
> >>> This should be "Parallel input port".
> >>
> >> Oops...
> >>
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +        properties:
> >>>>> +          endpoint:
> >>>>> +            $ref: /schemas/media/video-interfaces.yaml#
> >>>>> +            unevaluatedProperties: false
> >>>
> >>> Should at least the bus-width property be mandatory, as the device
> >>> supports both 10- and 12-bit inputs ?
> >>
> >> Hmm... It supports 10-bit, 12-bit HF and 12-bit LF modes. If we need to
> >> configure the mode based on DT, we need one more property for the HF/LF.
> >> Then again, the HF/LF is separate from the input port, it's more about
> >> internal operation and the link to the deserializer.
> >>
> >> However, this (the mode) should always be set in the HW via the MODE
> >> pins. And the driver can read the HW's MODE from the registers. Only in
> >> some very odd circumstances should the mode be configured by hand (and
> >> then carefully, as the link to the deserializer will drop).
> > 
> > Both the DS90UB913A and DS90UB913Q datasheets state that the MODE pin on
> > the serializer only selects between PCLK and external oscillator modes.
> > 
> > The DS90UB913A datasheet seems to hint in documentation of the mode
> > select register (0x05) that the mode is selected on the deserializer and
> > transmitted to the serializer through the back-channel, as the
> > MODE_OVERRIDE bit is documented as "Allows overriding mode select bits
> > coming from back-channel" and the MODE_UP_TO_DATE bit as "Status of mode
> > select from Deserializer is up-to- date". Bits 2 and 3 are however named
> > "Pin_MODE_12-bit High Frequency" and "Pin_MODE_10-bit mode", which hint
> > that their value could come from a mode pin, but I see no trace of that
> > anywhere.
> > 
> > The DS90UB913Q datasheet is similar, with a notable difference in that
> > it documents bits 1 and 0 as reserved, where the DS90UB913A datasheet
> > documents them as mode override selection. In the same document, the
> > DS90UB914Q MODE pin is documented as selecting the 10-bit, 12-bit LF or
> > 12-bit HF operation mode. The datasheet also states that "The
> > deserializer automatically configures the serializer to correct mode
> > through the back-channel".
> > 
> > Th DS90UB953 datasheet also hints in the documentation of the
> > BC_MODE_SELECT register (0x04) that the mode is configured automatically
> > for backward-compatible DVP mode. For CSI-2 mode, I assume the mode is
> > strapped from the MODE pin and not configured through the back-channel.
> > 
> > The DS90UB960 datasheet documents how to configure the mode on the
> > deserializer side, but doesn't state whether the serializer is then
> > automatically configured through the back-channel (in RAW/DVP mode). I
> > assume it is, do you have any information about this ?
> 
> I have to admit I had missed the mode management of the RAW mode while 
> going through all this. I had mostly looked at the UB953's CSI mode.
> 
> I don't have more information, but your analysis looks correct to me. So 
> the whole mode thing is an interesting mix of serializer & deserializer 
> HW straps, deserializer sending the (RAW) mode to the serializer, and 
> then the override registers on the serializer side.
> 
> As to the original question, should we have mandatory bus-width for 
> ub913... I don't think it would be useful, even after the updated 
> understanding about modes. Do you agree?

Yes, as far as I understand, the mode is configured from the
deserializer side for parallel serializers. While it can be overridden
on the serializer side through I2C, this would be an exception rather
than a rule, so I don't think there's a need to make bus-width mandatory
in DT.

> >> So the bus-width is not something that the driver would normally use. If
> >> we would need to define the bus-width and HF/LF in the DT for some
> >> reason in the future, I think an "old" DT without those specified should
> >> continue working fine, as the mode can be read from a register.
> >>
> >> That said, to complicate matters, the deserializer needs to know the
> >> serializer's mode before it can communicate with it (and thus, before we
> >> can read the mode). This is set with the deserializer's "ti,rx-mode"
> >> property, where you find RAW10, RAW12LF and RAW12HF modes (and for
> >> ub953, CSI-2 sync and non-sync modes).
> >>
> >> So if we would define the bus-width and HF/LF in ub913's properties, the
> >> deserializer could go peeking the mode from there. But is that a good
> >> idea... I'm not so sure.
> > 
> > Peeking into another device's DT node isn't great. It looks like the
> > best option for the DS90UB913 is to specify the mode on the
> > deserializer's side (either through the MODE strap or with a software
> > override through DT). In case the serializer mode would need to be
> > manually overridden in the future, we could add an optional DT property.
> 
> I don't like the mode strap on UB960 side, as it's for all ports. It 
> works in certain cases, of course, but if we anyway need the mode in DT 
> to allow port-specific configuration, I think it's just easier to always 
> require the DT mode and always use that, overriding the strap mode.

I wonder if there could be systems where the strap could be configurable
through a DIP switch or a jumper, depending on what cameras are
connected. It could then be convenient to not have to modify the device
tree. And just as I write this, I realize we have to specify the cameras
in DT anyway, so I suppose we could as well specify the mode too.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart