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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p10-20020a634f4a000000b0047586ee5f6asi1803486pgl.857.2023.01.06.09.17.30; Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=oUBAlr3x; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234509AbjAFQ6r (ORCPT + 54 others); Fri, 6 Jan 2023 11:58:47 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:40874 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234648AbjAFQ6O (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Jan 2023 11:58:14 -0500 Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [139.178.84.217]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCA4D78A7C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2023 08:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 799A661A27 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2023 16:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC8ABC433D2; Fri, 6 Jan 2023 16:58:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1673024292; bh=JyZGOJP4/NukyFMmeiyPZ3FypoTBSgJYWood3uwdP/s=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=oUBAlr3x4lJ3uy9sOag15lwabM6XKtfLJ3HLpNQCS/nwXIk+k4aodoUJ83gS26k3j e3PaHgEaEqeo1s0rVBLAaB5p0JGp8O8e44DMR4viYFYbLSVHt5D+VEr43EsdrHdg1P k4IPdC6L5FkW19EtG0JeZGeBaEbmC7dLo1+W5foM9QLSAWesLrit4zyxz71xTdD6u7 2YgYm6M+EeOVjfU65CwWgwEvG6L45ReT8l4xGFqEE+8DPize4l9lODOI7tUedKXfmP 5zhqnjkarid5GFKp3O8qZ5lODYBc4JRGPN5czk87QLZUXxSjjA01Cyv4KPDPixq63w B7rlz6WT7y0fA== Received: by pali.im (Postfix) id 09722A3A; Fri, 6 Jan 2023 17:58:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 17:58:09 +0100 From: Pali =?utf-8?B?Um9ow6Fy?= To: Jens Axboe Cc: Linus Torvalds , Christoph Hellwig , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 6.2-rc1 Message-ID: <20230106165809.vkz7lr7gi3xce22e@pali> References: <20230104205640.o2uy2jk4v6yfm4w3@pali> <90eb90da-2679-cac0-979d-6ba0cc8ccbb8@kernel.dk> <20230105174210.jbjoqelllcrd57q6@pali> <58d3649f-3c8c-8b12-1930-f06f59837ad5@kernel.dk> <1933bddd-42d7-d92b-974f-f26c46c01547@kernel.dk> <182bc0ee-51e3-b8c4-59f7-dcf702865a95@kernel.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <182bc0ee-51e3-b8c4-59f7-dcf702865a95@kernel.dk> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thursday 05 January 2023 13:33:11 Jens Axboe wrote: > On 1/5/23 1:03?PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > So nobody is going to be motivated to do any development in this area, > > and the best we can do is probably to just keep it limping along. > > Indeed... ... > > There's probably other cruft in pktcdvd that could be removed without > > removing the whole driver, but I do get the feeling that it's just > > less pain to keep the status quo, and that there isn't really much > > motivation for anybody to do anything else. > > I'm reluctant to touch it outside of changes that are driven by core > changes, and of course the motivation to remove it was driven by not > wanting to do that either. Any kind of re-architecting of how it works I > would not advocate for. It supposedly works well enough that none of the > (few) users are reporting issues with it, best to just let it remain > like that imho. Yea, I agree. This code is in state when it is _used_ and not developed anymore. Nobody is really motivated to re-architecture or rewrite this code. Such work has big probability to break something which currently works fine. And because lot of users are on stable/LTS kernel versions, it is possible that we would not notice breakage earlier than (lets say) in 5 years.