Received: by 2002:a05:6358:a55:b0:ec:fcf4:3ecf with SMTP id 21csp843406rwb; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXurO1eTZ786cXDkudpg07+GU30ymw+fYH3xo5o4U1CfCqzJ0vvexo9K1HREqroUAHNykYBM X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:838b:b0:869:236c:ac40 with SMTP id p11-20020a170906838b00b00869236cac40mr7266286ejx.31.1673716708171; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1673716708; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=a9VBgNZD0sJTGqXPmTdBZE5HZOFSI4uLkyWGf586JugPiPPQ358QUBgt29M14ZBJ2f VUZdgcIW5j10TdLiVpv8TBKT9DU4rLC39QSzN/V/Cg3SuCNKuog4ezKiWetJawVoPqp3 DK9cw/g/JwHoosS0rgPzzaIrOoZQSk4qFD2kpKjtdCPpyhi2jgA5dg8dn4l9Hok/n8V2 FSOJjdBWMpt2WOSfP7vdwc2RF/H2wGkXowo7sZCvpUbO4GjctEZlmUCg67QB47KsEeRb FdlTNgLsygY3b0IG+WDE5Pug+OuMOXkNlAvgZrjqGFuEx4PabloZBgWJQ6gUijnRB8TY Qirg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version :references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=tiNdA+FwdzMLOsxyXq4z785RvHxDq+oj1yb1KTdQTfU=; b=KOfSE/FttdQaxDK0iPQdPh7HAwtt7kYUBrmksdgQmWOdl5U1AdouuYtvTKAHTXP+XU mC2HwBr9E3EbP7ZYkZf13LFi2orx9e/vJ3xhbw1mpto1O2CG3lhSKcBdWjsn/Oqms7oB mDMSZ6yc9JTNf0s7fJIvl8t7Y4Y8CCQd12DkNowb2qhWMltwfCEokXalhxFaqRIN4pn/ YrXS+K3b2ssZosYHkgnfIrpCG2ovOyW+C9iIidEfwTl5rhQSKD9tXYJPlVVhbmrVW08H i8BsXl6FvamEqbKToCZbYJ0R5ik5LTVLVIEQF6fhPCZau2URO8lF2LJ0a5pF/0NateWD q3Mw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email. [2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id hs2-20020a1709073e8200b0084d172e0b0esi26837690ejc.35.2023.01.14.09.17.59; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230244AbjANQzV (ORCPT + 52 others); Sat, 14 Jan 2023 11:55:21 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:35292 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229971AbjANQzT (ORCPT ); Sat, 14 Jan 2023 11:55:19 -0500 Received: from netrider.rowland.org (netrider.rowland.org [192.131.102.5]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB182A5C9 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 08:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 65845 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Jan 2023 11:55:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 11:55:17 -0500 From: Alan Stern To: "Paul E. McKenney" Cc: Jonas Oberhauser , Peter Zijlstra , "parri.andrea" , will , "boqun.feng" , npiggin , dhowells , "j.alglave" , "luc.maranget" , akiyks , dlustig , joel , urezki , quic_neeraju , frederic , Kernel development list Subject: Re: Internal vs. external barriers (was: Re: Interesting LKMM litmus test) Message-ID: References: <20220921173109.GA1214281@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> <114ECED5-FED1-4361-94F7-8D9BC02449B7> <4c1abc7733794519ad7c5153ae8b58f9@huawei.com> <20230113200706.GI4028633@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230113200706.GI4028633@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 12:07:06PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > What Alan said! You could even have distinct partially overlapping > grace periods, as the Linux kernel actually does have courtesy of normal > grace periods via synchronize_rcu() and expedited grace periods via > synchronize_rcu_expedited(). Or just two different CPUs making overlapping calls to synchronize_rcu(). Alan