Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1765056AbXHWQOS (ORCPT ); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:14:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753663AbXHWQOK (ORCPT ); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from nic.NetDirect.CA ([216.16.235.2]:39058 "EHLO rubicon.netdirect.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753849AbXHWQOJ (ORCPT ); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:14:09 -0400 X-Originating-Ip: 72.143.224.166 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:04:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: "linux-os (Dick Johnson)" cc: Clemens Koller , shaneed cm , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: request for Linux kernel related project ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4bd3aab60708230110i65208672u89048fcc511ba0c5@mail.gmail.com> <46CD76D6.6070409@anagramm.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-16.8, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -15.00, INIT_RECVD_OUR_AUTH -20.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 20.00) X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-From: rpjday@mindspring.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2707 Lines: 59 i really don't want to turn this into a thread that never dies, so let me just clarify what i'm talking about: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i'm not sure that it's appropriate for LKML folks to be giving > > anyone suggestions for projects. the eventual choice of project > > should be based on what *shaneed* wants, not what other people > > tell him he should be doing. > > in addition, sometimes part of the work involved in a school > > project involves doing enough research to just make the *choice*. > > what shaneed is asking is that others do that work for him. > > IMHO, he should be told politely but firmly that selecting a topic > > is *his* problem. that's just part of the academic process. > > > Of course it is appropriate. Day's response is very strange indeed. > As part of a student's research, he should ask questions of people > who are likely to know some answers about his query. > > In fact, if students for which I am an adviser didn't ask such > questions, and simply selected a project, I would question the > validity of the project. Projects are not selected in a vacuum. Just > like "real world" industry, there must be a need (read market) for > the project (read product). let's make sure we're not talking at cross-purposes here, ok? i see nothing wrong with someone asking for suggestions for projects in a particular area, such as, "hey, i'm particularly interested in the efficiency of R/W operations to flash-based filesystems, can someone suggest a project in that area that would ultimately be useful to the kernel community in general?" that's perfect, no problem there, i think that's a *great* idea. however, what the OP seemed to be asking was for suggestions for a project with a wide-open playing field, with no restrictions whatever, and that's what i find inappropriate. someone asking for that kind of help should at least have put in the effort to narrow the field of interest. as i said, that's part of the academic process -- putting in the time to, minimally, figure out what field you're interested in. once you do that, then you're good to go. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca ======================================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/