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From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 39/41] kernel/fork: throttle call_rcu() calls in
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:01:08AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:34 AM Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:04:39AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue 17-01-23 17:19:46, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 7:57 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon 09-01-23 12:53:34, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > > > > call_rcu() can take a long time when callback offloading is enabled.
> > > > > > > Its use in the vm_area_free can cause regressions in the exit path when
> > > > > > > multiple VMAs are being freed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What kind of regressions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To minimize that impact, place VMAs into
> > > > > > > a list and free them in groups using one call_rcu() call per group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please add some data to justify this additional complexity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, should have done that in the first place. A 4.3% regression was
> > > > > noticed when running execl test from unixbench suite. spawn test also
> > > > > showed 1.6% regression. Profiling revealed that vma freeing was taking
> > > > > longer due to call_rcu() which is slow when RCU callback offloading is
> > > > > enabled.
> > > >
> > > > Could you be more specific? vma freeing is async with the RCU so how
> > > > come this has resulted in a regression? Is there any heavy
> > > > rcu_synchronize in the exec path? That would be an interesting
> > > > information.
> > >
> > > No, there is no heavy rcu_synchronize() or any other additional
> > > synchronous load in the exit path. It's the call_rcu() which can block
> > > the caller if CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU is enabled and there are lots of
> > > other call_rcu()'s going on in parallel. Note that call_rcu() calls
> > > rcu_nocb_try_bypass() if CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU is enabled and profiling
> > > revealed that this function was taking multiple ms (don't recall the
> > > actual number, sorry). Paul's explanation implied that this happens
> > > due to contention on the locks taken in this function. For more
> > > in-depth details I'll have to ask Paul for help :) This code is quite
> > > complex and I don't know all the details of RCU implementation.
> >
> > There are a couple of possibilities here.
> >
> > First, if I am remembering correctly, the time between the call_rcu()
> > and invocation of the corresponding callback was taking multiple seconds,
> > but that was because the kernel was built with CONFIG_LAZY_RCU=y in
> > order to save power by batching RCU work over multiple call_rcu()
> > invocations.  If this is causing a problem for a given call site, the
> > shiny new call_rcu_hurry() can be used instead.  Doing this gets back
> > to the old-school non-laziness, but can of course consume more power.
> 
> That would not be the case because CONFIG_LAZY_RCU was not an option
> at the time I was profiling this issue.
> Laxy RCU would be a great option to replace this patch but
> unfortunately it's not the default behavior, so I would still have to
> implement this batching in case lazy RCU is not enabled.
> 
> > Second, there is a much shorter one-jiffy delay between the call_rcu()
> > and the invocation of the corresponding callback in kernels built with
> > either CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL=y (but only on CPUs mentioned in the nohz_full
> > or rcu_nocbs kernel boot parameters) or CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y (but only
> > on CPUs mentioned in the rcu_nocbs kernel boot parameters).  The purpose
> > of this delay is to avoid lock contention, and so this delay is incurred
> > only on CPUs that are queuing callbacks at a rate exceeding 16K/second.
> > This is reduced to a per-jiffy limit, so on a HZ=1000 system, a CPU
> > invoking call_rcu() at least 16 times within a given jiffy will incur
> > the added delay.  The reason for this delay is the use of a separate
> > ->nocb_bypass list.  As Suren says, this bypass list is used to reduce
> > lock contention on the main ->cblist.  This is not needed in old-school
> > kernels built without either CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL=y or CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y
> > (including most datacenter kernels) because in that case the callbacks
> > enqueued by call_rcu() are touched only by the corresponding CPU, so
> > that there is no need for locks.
> 
> I believe this is the reason in my profiled case.
> 
> >
> > Third, if you are instead seeing multiple milliseconds of CPU consumed by
> > call_rcu() in the common case (for example, without the aid of interrupts,
> > NMIs, or SMIs), please do let me know.  That sounds to me like a bug.
> 
> I don't think I've seen such a case.

Whew!!!  ;-)

> Thanks for clarifications, Paul!

No problem!

							Thanx, Paul