Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:55:25 +0200
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
       Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
       Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
       Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CFS review
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* Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:02:18AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr> wrote:
> > 
> > > Are you sure they are stalled ? What you may have is simple gears 
> > > running at a multiple of your screen refresh rate, so they only appear 
> > > stalled.
> > > 
> > > Plus, as said Linus, you're not really testing the kernel scheduler. 
> > > gears is really bad benchmark, it should die.
> > 
> > i like glxgears as long as it runs on _real_ 3D hardware, because there 
> > it has minimal interaction with X and so it's an excellent visual test 
> > about consistency of scheduling. You can immediately see (literally) 
> > scheduling hickups down to a millisecond range (!). In this sense, if 
> > done and interpreted carefully, glxgears gives more feedback than many 
> > audio tests. (audio latency problems are audible, but on most sound hw 
> > it takes quite a bit of latency to produce an xrun.) So basically 
> > glxgears is the "early warning system" that tells us about the potential 
> > for xruns earlier than an xrun would happen for real.
> > 
> > [ of course you can also run all the other tools to get numeric results,
> >   but glxgears is nice in that it gives immediate visual feedback. ]
> 
> Al could also test ocbench, which brings visual feedback without 
> harnessing the X server : http://linux.1wt.eu/sched/
> 
> I packaged it exactly for this problem and it has already helped. It 
> uses X after each loop, so if you run it with large run time, X is 
> nearly not sollicitated.

yeah, and ocbench is one of my favorite cross-task-fairness tests - i 
dont release a CFS patch without checking it with ocbench first :-)

	Ingo
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