Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757182AbXIARXY (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:23:24 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754020AbXIARXR (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:23:17 -0400 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:3919 "EHLO spitz.ucw.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753993AbXIARXQ (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:23:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:23:02 +0000 From: Pavel Machek To: Samuel Thibault , Jan Engelhardt , linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dtor@mail.ru Subject: Re: [PATCH] Console keyboard events and accessibility Message-ID: <20070901172301.GA4275@ucw.cz> References: <20070821005718.GD3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070821204951.GC3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070712191932.GA3947@ucw.cz> <20070901122604.GA3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901123258.GA4612@ucw.cz> <20070901125120.GC3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070901125120.GC3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 28 Hi! > > > Because userland only begins quite late in the boot process, and > > > userland may hang. > > > > Initrd means userland is started very early on most machines these > > days, and kernel may hang, too. > > Very early is not so early, and loading initrd itself may actually fail. > The kernel may indeed hang, but there are more chances to get some > messages before the hang. Don't _you_ have a VGA screen for getting > earliest failure messages from the kernel? No. I'm using framebuffer, that's initialized quite late in boot process. Plus many users just use bootsplash. I do use vga mode for heavy debugging, but that's quite unusual. So... you actually have speech-enabled grub/lilo/something? Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/