Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756636AbXIARdo (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:33:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752716AbXIARdf (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:33:35 -0400 Received: from iona.labri.fr ([147.210.8.143]:42239 "EHLO iona.labri.fr" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751889AbXIARde (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:33:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:33:29 +0200 From: Samuel Thibault To: Pavel Machek Cc: Jan Engelhardt , linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dtor@mail.ru Subject: Re: [PATCH] Console keyboard events and accessibility Message-ID: <20070901173329.GB12644@implementation> Mail-Followup-To: Samuel Thibault , Pavel Machek , Jan Engelhardt , linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dtor@mail.ru References: <20070821005718.GD3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070821204951.GC3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070712191932.GA3947@ucw.cz> <20070901122604.GA3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901123258.GA4612@ucw.cz> <20070901125120.GC3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901172301.GA4275@ucw.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20070901172301.GA4275@ucw.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1198 Lines: 32 Hi, Pavel Machek, le Sat 01 Sep 2007 17:23:02 +0000, a ?crit : > Hi! > > > > > Because userland only begins quite late in the boot process, and > > > > userland may hang. > > > > > > Initrd means userland is started very early on most machines these > > > days, and kernel may hang, too. > > > > Very early is not so early, and loading initrd itself may actually fail. > > The kernel may indeed hang, but there are more chances to get some > > messages before the hang. Don't _you_ have a VGA screen for getting > > earliest failure messages from the kernel? > > No. I'm using framebuffer, that's initialized quite late in boot > process. Plus many users just use bootsplash. I do use vga mode for > heavy debugging, but that's quite unusual. But that's what some people do for their work, so they need it. > So... you actually have speech-enabled grub/lilo/something? That's in project too (and there's no reason it shouldn't be done). Samuel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/