Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756869AbXIAS3g (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:29:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754279AbXIAS33 (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:29:29 -0400 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:2021 "EHLO spitz.ucw.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753376AbXIAS32 (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:29:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:18:45 +0000 From: Pavel Machek To: Samuel Thibault , Jan Engelhardt , linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dtor@mail.ru Subject: Re: [PATCH] Console keyboard events and accessibility Message-ID: <20070901181845.GA4839@ucw.cz> References: <20070821005718.GD3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070821204951.GC3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070712191932.GA3947@ucw.cz> <20070901122604.GA3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901123258.GA4612@ucw.cz> <20070901125120.GC3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901172301.GA4275@ucw.cz> <20070901173329.GB12644@implementation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070901173329.GB12644@implementation> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1221 Lines: 30 Hi! > > > Very early is not so early, and loading initrd itself may actually fail. > > > The kernel may indeed hang, but there are more chances to get some > > > messages before the hang. Don't _you_ have a VGA screen for getting > > > earliest failure messages from the kernel? > > > > No. I'm using framebuffer, that's initialized quite late in boot > > process. Plus many users just use bootsplash. I do use vga mode for > > heavy debugging, but that's quite unusual. > > But that's what some people do for their work, so they need it. How many such users are out there? > > So... you actually have speech-enabled grub/lilo/something? > > That's in project too (and there's no reason it shouldn't be done). I'd say kernel debugging is hard without accessible bootloader, so I'd hope number of such users is very low. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/