Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760661AbXIJOPg (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:15:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759356AbXIJOPS (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:15:18 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:60611 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759477AbXIJOPQ (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:15:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:14:56 +0100 From: Arjan van de Ven To: Andrew Morton Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Adrian Bunk , perex@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [-mm patch] unexport sys_{open,read} Message-ID: <20070910161456.7431312c@laptopd505.fenrus.org> In-Reply-To: <20070910022324.c69e1897.akpm@linux-foundation.org> References: <20070909202527.GT3563@stusta.de> <20070909203920.GA11764@infradead.org> <20070909145940.0b41c8a5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20070910090808.GA31204@infradead.org> <20070910022324.c69e1897.akpm@linux-foundation.org> Organization: Intel X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.11.6; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1116 Lines: 23 On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:23:24 -0700 Andrew Morton wrote: > I would like to see "everyone" explain what we lose by giving > developers a bit of warning before we break their stuff. here's the skinny: 99% of the external module developers won't notice until they're gone, even with the warning. And that's an optimistic estimate. Warnings don't work for this. All this kind of thing buys us is an excuse so that we can say "but we warned you for 3 months". It doesn't actually change anything else. Maybe I'm too pessimistic in my assumption that external open module writers don't actually follow mainline closely; and maybe part of me would love for them to follow it closer, so close that they would even consider submitting their driver for it. But sadly from experience... warnings dont' work. Only when things break hard people notice. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/