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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 12/26] gunyah: vm_mgr: Add/remove user memory regions
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To:     Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
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On 2/24/2023 2:19 AM, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:26 PM Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When launching a virtual machine, Gunyah userspace allocates memory for
>> the guest and informs Gunyah about these memory regions through
>> SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION ioctl.
> 
> I'm working on pKVM [1], and regarding the problem of donating private
> memory to a guest, we and others working on confidential computing
> have faced a similar issue that this patch is trying to address. In
> pKVM, we've initially taken an approach similar to the one here by
> pinning the pages being donated to prevent swapping or migration [2].
> However, we've encountered issues with this approach since the memory
> is still mapped by the host, which could cause the system to crash on
> an errant access.
> 
> Instead, we've been working on adopting an fd-based restricted memory
> approach that was initially proposed for TDX [3] and is now being
> considered by others in the confidential computing space as well
> (e.g., Arm CCA [4]). The basic idea is that the host manages the guest
> memory via a file descriptor instead of a userspace address. It cannot
> map that memory (unless explicitly shared by the guest [5]),
> eliminating the possibility of the host trying to access private
> memory accidentally or being tricked by a malicious actor. This is
> based on memfd with some restrictions. It handles swapping and
> migration by disallowing them (for now [6]), and adds a new type of
> memory region to KVM to accommodate having an fd representing guest
> memory.
> 
> Although the fd-based restricted memory isn't upstream yet, we've
> ported the latest patches to arm64 and made changes and additions to
> make it work with pKVM, to test it and see if the solution is feasible
> for us (it is). I wanted to mention this work in case you find it
> useful, and in the hopes that we can all work on confidential
> computing using the same interfaces as much as possible.

Thanks for highlighting the memfd_restricted changes to us! We'll 
investigate how/if it can suit Gunyah usecases. It sounds like you 
might've made memfd_restricted changes as well? Are those posted on the 
mailing lists? Also, are example userspace (crosvm?) changes posted?

Thanks,
Elliot

> 
> Some comments inline below...
> 
> Cheers,
> /fuad
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvmarm/20220519134204.5379-1-will@kernel.org/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/kvmarm/20220519134204.5379-34-will@kernel.org/
> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20221202061347.1070246-1-chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com/
> [4] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230127112932.38045-1-steven.price@arm.com/
> [5] This is a modification we've done for the arm64 port, after
> discussing it with the original authors.
> [6] Nothing inherent in the proposal to stop migration and swapping.
> There are some technical issues that need to be resolved.
> 
> <snip>
<snip, looking at comments in parallel>