Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B36C678D4 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 20:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229731AbjCAUqu (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Mar 2023 15:46:50 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:53410 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229437AbjCAUqs (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Mar 2023 15:46:48 -0500 Received: from ams.source.kernel.org (ams.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:4601:e00::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C712B43445; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 12:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ams.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86A53B81126; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3717EC433EF; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 20:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 15:46:41 -0500 From: Steven Rostedt To: "Paul E. McKenney" Cc: Uros Bizjak , Joel Fernandes , rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Frederic Weisbecker , Neeraj Upadhyay , Josh Triplett , Mathieu Desnoyers , Lai Jiangshan Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcu: use try_cmpxchg in check_cpu_stall Message-ID: <20230301154641.695778bf@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <20230301203645.GG2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> References: <20230228160324.2a7c1012@gandalf.local.home> <20230228212911.GX2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> <20230228164124.77c126d2@gandalf.local.home> <20230228190846.79b06089@gandalf.local.home> <20230301113813.4f16a689@gandalf.local.home> <20230301200820.GF2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> <20230301151826.014c5977@gandalf.local.home> <20230301203645.GG2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 12:36:45 -0800 "Paul E. McKenney" wrote: > Some years down the road, should cmpxchg_success() be on the tip of > the tongue of every kernel hacker, perhaps. Or perhaps not. A bit of a catch-22 I would say. It will only become something everyone knows if it exists. > > In the meantime, we have yet another abysmally documented atomic Is it? > operation that is not well known throughout the community. And then the > people coming across this curse everyone who had anything to do with it, > as they search the source code, dig through assembly output, and so on > trying to work out exactly what this thing does. > > Sorry, but no way. > > Again, unless there is some sort of forward-progress argument or > similar convincing argument. Speaking of forward progress... https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/atomic_t.txt#n316 Anyway, I'm guessing this will not become part of rcu any time soon. But for the ring buffer, I would happily take it. -- Steve