Date:   Thu, 9 Mar 2023 09:56:31 +0100
From:   Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V2] nvmem: add explicit config option to read OF fixed
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Hi Rafa=C5=82,

rafal@milecki.pl wrote on Thu, 09 Mar 2023 09:39:54 +0100:

> On 2023-03-09 09:34, Miquel Raynal wrote:
> > Hi Rafa=C5=82,
> >=20
> > zajec5@gmail.com wrote on Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:56:05 +0100:
> >  =20
> >> On 8.03.2023 19:31, Miquel Raynal wrote: =20
> >> > Hi Rafa=C5=82,
> >> >
> >> > rafal@milecki.pl wrote on Wed, 08 Mar 2023 19:12:32 +0100:
> >> > =20
> >> >> On 2023-03-08 19:06, Miquel Raynal wrote: =20
> >> >>> Hi Rafa=C5=82,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> rafal@milecki.pl wrote on Wed, 08 Mar 2023 17:55:46 +0100: =20
> >> >>>    >>>> On 2023-03-08 17:34, Miquel Raynal wrote: =20
> >> >>>>> Hi Rafa=C5=82,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> zajec5@gmail.com wrote on Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:29:03 +0100: =20
> >> >>>>>   >>>>>> From: Rafa=C5=82 Mi=C5=82ecki <rafal@milecki.pl> =20
> >> >>>>>>>> NVMEM subsystem looks for fixed NVMEM cells (specified in DT)=
 by =20
> >> >>>>>> default. This behaviour made sense in early days before adding =
support
> >> >>>>>> for dynamic cells. =20
> >> >>>>>>>> With every new supported NVMEM device with dynamic cells curr=
ent =20
> >> >>>>>> behaviour becomes non-optimal. It results in unneeded iterating=
 over >> DT
> >> >>>>>> nodes and may result in false discovery of cells (depending on =
used DT
> >> >>>>>> properties). =20
> >> >>>>>>>> This behaviour has actually caused a problem already with the=
 MTD =20
> >> >>>>>> subsystem. MTD subpartitions were incorrectly treated as NVMEM =
cells. =20
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That's true, but I expect this to be really MTD specific.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A concrete proposal below. =20
> >> >>>>>   >>>>>> Also with upcoming support for NVMEM layouts no new bin=
ding or driver =20
> >> >>>>>> should support fixed cells defined in device node. =20
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I'm not sure I agree with this statement. We are not preventing =
new
> >> >>>>> binding/driver to use fixed cells, or...? We offer a new way to =
expose
> >> >>>>> nvmem cells with another way than "fixed-offset" and "fixed-size=
" OF
> >> >>>>> nodes. =20
> >> >>>>>>   From what I understood all new NVMEM bindings should have cel=
ls >> defined =20
> >> >>>> in the nvmem-layout { } node. That's what I mean by saying they s=
hould
> >> >>>> not be defined in device node (but its "nvmem-layout" instead). =
=20
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Layouts are just another possibility, either you user the nvmem-ce=
lls
> >> >>> compatible and produce nvmem cells with fixed OF nodes, or you use=
 the
> >> >>> nvmem-layout container. I don't think all new bindings should have
> >> >>> cells in layouts. It depends if the content is static or not. =20
> >> >>>    >>>>>> Solve this by modifying drivers for bindings that suppor=
t specifying =20
> >> >>>>>> fixed NVMEM cells in DT. Make them explicitly tell NVMEM subsys=
tem to
> >> >>>>>> read cells from DT. =20
> >> >>>>>>>> It wasn't clear (to me) if rtc and w1 code actually uses fixe=
d cells. >> I =20
> >> >>>>>> enabled them to don't risk any breakage. =20
> >> >>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Rafa=C5=82 Mi=C5=82ecki <rafal@milecki.pl> =20
> >> >>>>>> [for drivers/nvmem/meson-{efuse,mx-efuse}.c]
> >> >>>>>> Acked-by: Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.c=
om>
> >> >>>>>> ---
> >> >>>>>> V2: Fix stm32-romem.c typo breaking its compilation
> >> >>>>>>      Pick Martin's Acked-by
> >> >>>>>>      Add paragraph about layouts deprecating use_fixed_of_cells
> >> >>>>>> ---
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/mtd/mtdcore.c          | 2 ++
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/apple-efuses.c   | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/core.c           | 8 +++++---
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/imx-ocotp-scu.c  | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/imx-ocotp.c      | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/meson-efuse.c    | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/meson-mx-efuse.c | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/microchip-otpc.c | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/mtk-efuse.c      | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/qcom-spmi-sdam.c | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/qfprom.c         | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/rave-sp-eeprom.c | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/rockchip-efuse.c | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/sc27xx-efuse.c   | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/sprd-efuse.c     | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/stm32-romem.c    | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/sunplus-ocotp.c  | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/sunxi_sid.c      | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/uniphier-efuse.c | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/nvmem/zynqmp_nvmem.c   | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/rtc/nvmem.c            | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   drivers/w1/slaves/w1_ds250x.c  | 1 +
> >> >>>>>>   include/linux/nvmem-provider.h | 2 ++
> >> >>>>>>   23 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) =20
> >> >>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/mtd/mtdcore.c b/drivers/mtd/mtdcore.c =20
> >> >>>>>> index 0feacb9fbdac..1bb479c0f758 100644
> >> >>>>>> --- a/drivers/mtd/mtdcore.c
> >> >>>>>> +++ b/drivers/mtd/mtdcore.c
> >> >>>>>> @@ -523,6 +523,7 @@ static int mtd_nvmem_add(struct mtd_info *m=
td)
> >> >>>>>>   	config.dev =3D &mtd->dev;
> >> >>>>>>   	config.name =3D dev_name(&mtd->dev);
> >> >>>>>>   	config.owner =3D THIS_MODULE;
> >> >>>>>> +	config.use_fixed_of_cells =3D of_device_is_compatible(node, >=
> "nvmem-cells"); =20
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I am wondering how mtd specific this is? For me all OF nodes con=
taining
> >> >>>>> the nvmem-cells compatible should be treated as cells providers =
and
> >> >>>>> populate nvmem cells as for each children.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Why don't we just check for this compatible to be present? in
> >> >>>>> nvmem_add_cells_from_of() ? And if not we just skip the operatio=
n.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> This way we still follow the bindings (even though using nvmem-c=
ells in
> >> >>>>> the compatible property to require cells population was a mistak=
e in
> >> >>>>> the first place, as discussed in the devlink thread recently) bu=
t there
> >> >>>>> is no need for a per-driver config option? =20
> >> >>>>>> This isn't mtd specific. Please check this patch for all occurr=
ences >> of =20
> >> >>>> the:
> >> >>>> use_fixed_of_cells =3D true =20
> >> >>>>>> The very first one: drivers/nvmem/apple-efuses.c driver for the=
 =20
> >> >>>> "apple,efuses" binding. That binding supports fixed OF cells, see:
> >> >>>> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/nvmem/apple,efuses.yaml =20
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm saying: based on what has been enforced so far, I would expect=
 all
> >> >>> fixed cell providers to come with nvmem-cells as compatible, no?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If that's the case we could use that as a common denominator? =20
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, I don't get it. Have you checked
> >> >> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/nvmem/apple,efuses.yaml
> >> >> ?
> >> >>
> >> >> It's a NVMEM provied binding with fixed cells that doesn't use
> >> >> nvmem-cells as compatible. There are many more. =20
> >> >
> >> > Oh yeah you're right, I'm mixing things. Well I guess you're right
> >> > then, it's such a mess, we have to tell the core the parsing method.
> >> >
> >> > So maybe another question: do we have other situations than mtd which
> >> > sometimes expect the nvmem core to parse the OF nodes to populate ce=
lls,
> >> > and sometimes not? =20
> >> >> I'm not aware of that. Please also check my patch. The only case I =
set =20
> >> "use_fixed_of_cells" conditionally is mtd code. In other cases it's
> >> hardcoded to "true". =20
> >> >> >> > Also, what about "of_children_are_cells" ? Because actually in=
 most =20
> >> > cases it's a "fixed of cell", so I don't find the current naming
> >> > descriptive enough for something so touchy. =20
> >> >> That would be just incorrect because this new config property =20
> >> ("use_fixed_of_cells") is only about FIXED cells. =20
> >> >> There are cases of OF children being cells but NOT being fixed cell=
s. =20
> >> They should NOT be parsed by the nvmem_add_cells_from_of(). =20
> >> >> Example: =20
> >> a607a850ba1f ("dt-bindings: nvmem: u-boot,env: add basic NVMEM cells")
> >> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/com=
mit/?id=3Da607a850ba1fa966cbb035544c1588e24a6307df =20
> >=20
> > This is backwards. That's why layouts have been proposed: having
> > a clear framework were the nvmem core should or should not play with
> > the OF children nodes. If each binding is different, you end up with
> > the mess we have today, where nobody knows how to properly
> > populate the cells.
> >=20
> > Anyway, it's not a big deal either, if the cells are empty we can
> > easily check that and have *yet another* specific case in the core.
> >  =20
> >> So that would result in U-Boot env:
> >> 1. Having OF children nodes being cells
> >> 2. Setting "of_children_are_cells" to false (counter-intuitive) to >> =
avoid nvmem_add_cells_from_of() =20
> >=20
> > Agreed. So what about config.ignore_of_children?
> > - mtd sets this to !is_compatible(nvmem-cells)
> > - nobody else touches it (the core don't try to parse the cell if it's
> >   empty so U-Boot env driver works) =20
>=20
> "ignore_of_children" would have opposite (reversed) meaning to the
> "use_fixed_of_cells":
> 1. By default it would be 0 / false
> 2. By default NVMEM code would NOT ignore OF children nodes
>=20
> That is what I actually *don't* want.
>=20
> Having NVMEM core look for fixed cells in device node is undesirable.

Is it?

I think this is the standard case. Most of the time fixed cells are
the simplest and most direct approach. I don't get why we would like
to prevent it at some point? Only the more advanced stuff that does not
fit the purpose of fixed OF cells should go through layouts.

> I want that feature to be off by default. I want devices to have to
> enable it explicitly only when it's needed.

Well, that's exactly the opposite of what nvmem does right now, that's
maybe why reviewers don't get the interest of the current
implementation: it has many impacts on users which should not be
impacted just because we messed with mtd.

Thanks,
Miqu=C3=A8l