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Subject: Re: [PATCH] spi: Replace `dummy.nbytes` with `dummy.ncycles`
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To:     Michael Walle <michael@walle.cc>
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From:   Tudor Ambarus <tudor.ambarus@linaro.org>
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On 09.03.2023 16:01, Michael Walle wrote:
> Am 2023-03-09 14:54, schrieb Tudor Ambarus:
>> On 09.03.2023 15:33, Michael Walle wrote:
>>>>>> The controllers that can talk in dummy ncycles don't need the
>>>>>> dummy.{buswidth, dtr} fields.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The controllers that can't talk in dummy cycles, but only on a "byte"
>>>>>> boundary need both buswidth and dtr fields. Assume a flash needs 32
>>>>>> dummy cycles for an op on 8D-8D-8D mode. If the controller does 
>>>>>> not have
>>>>>> the buswidth and dtr info, it can't convert the dummy ncycles to 
>>>>>> nbytes.
>>>>>> If he knows only that buswidth is 8, it will convert ncycles to 4 
>>>>>> bytes.
>>>>>> If dtr is also specified it converts ncycles to 2 bytes.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they don't need it. Lets take your semper flash and assume it needs
>>>>> 12 latency cycles. SPI-NOR will set ncycles to 12 *regardless of 
>>>>> the mode
>>>>> or dtr setting*. The controller then knows we need 12 clock cycles. 
>>>>> It has
>>>>> then to figure out how that can be achieved. E.g. if it can only do 
>>>>> the
>>>>> "old" byte programming and is in quad mode, good for it. It will 
>>>>> send 6
>>>>> dummy bytes, which will result in 12 dummy clock cycles, because 1 
>>>>> byte
>>>>> takes two clock cycles in quad SDR mode. If its in octal mode, send 12
>>>>> bytes. If its in dual mode, send 3 bytes. Obiously, it cannot be in
>>>>> single bit mode, because it cannot send 1.5 bytes..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You miss the fact that you can have 1-1-4. What buswidth do you use
>>>> for dummy, the address buswidth or the data buswidth?
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter, does it? The driver is free to chose, 1, 4, or anything
>>> else. You don't sample any data during the dummy phase.
>>> To answer your question: single for instruction, single for address,
>>> whatever you choose for dummy as long as there are ncycles space between
>>> address and data, and quad for data.
>>
>> Huh? How does the controller chose, based on what?
> 
> Based on its own capabilities. It can choose either way. In the end

Okay, I'll go again through all the spi controllers and check if we can
determine the dummy nbytes based on controller caps. Thanks!

> what matters is how many clock cycles there are between the address
> and data phase. And you only need to convey that information to the
> SPI controller - your new ncycles.
> 
> -michael
> 
>>> Depending on the capabilites of the hardware it will likely be 1 or 4.
>>>
>>>> What happens if crazy protocols like 1S-1S-8D appear? What buswidth
>>>> and transfer mode are you going to use for dummy?
>>>
>>> Also doesn't matter. What matters is how many dummy clock cycles you
>>> do. Again, they don't depent on the mode. You just have to count
>>> the clock cycles between the address and the data phase (and that is
>>> what your ncycle parameter will tell the controller).
>>>
>>>> And please don't tell me that "we're going to assume that
>>>> dummy.buswidth = address.buswidth because that's what we currently do
>>>> in SPI NOR", because I'm not convinced that the assumption is correct.
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't matter :)
>>>
>>> -michael