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Date:   Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:41:31 +0100
From:   Michael Walle <michael@walle.cc>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] spi: Replace `dummy.nbytes` with `dummy.ncycles`
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Am 2023-03-09 15:19, schrieb Chuanhong Guo:
> Hi!
> 
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:04 PM Michael Walle <michael@walle.cc> wrote:
>> 
>> Am 2023-03-09 14:54, schrieb Tudor Ambarus:
>> > On 09.03.2023 15:33, Michael Walle wrote:
>> >>>>> The controllers that can talk in dummy ncycles don't need the
>> >>>>> dummy.{buswidth, dtr} fields.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The controllers that can't talk in dummy cycles, but only on a
>> >>>>> "byte"
>> >>>>> boundary need both buswidth and dtr fields. Assume a flash needs 32
>> >>>>> dummy cycles for an op on 8D-8D-8D mode. If the controller does not
>> >>>>> have
>> >>>>> the buswidth and dtr info, it can't convert the dummy ncycles to
>> >>>>> nbytes.
>> >>>>> If he knows only that buswidth is 8, it will convert ncycles to 4
>> >>>>> bytes.
>> >>>>> If dtr is also specified it converts ncycles to 2 bytes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No they don't need it. Lets take your semper flash and assume it
>> >>>> needs
>> >>>> 12 latency cycles. SPI-NOR will set ncycles to 12 *regardless of the
>> >>>> mode
>> >>>> or dtr setting*. The controller then knows we need 12 clock cycles.
>> >>>> It has
>> >>>> then to figure out how that can be achieved. E.g. if it can only do
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> "old" byte programming and is in quad mode, good for it. It will
>> >>>> send 6
>> >>>> dummy bytes, which will result in 12 dummy clock cycles, because 1
>> >>>> byte
>> >>>> takes two clock cycles in quad SDR mode. If its in octal mode, send
>> >>>> 12
>> >>>> bytes. If its in dual mode, send 3 bytes. Obiously, it cannot be in
>> >>>> single bit mode, because it cannot send 1.5 bytes..
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You miss the fact that you can have 1-1-4. What buswidth do you use
>> >>> for dummy, the address buswidth or the data buswidth?
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't matter, does it? The driver is free to chose, 1, 4, or
>> >> anything
>> >> else. You don't sample any data during the dummy phase.
>> >> To answer your question: single for instruction, single for address,
>> >> whatever you choose for dummy as long as there are ncycles space
>> >> between
>> >> address and data, and quad for data.
>> >
>> > Huh? How does the controller chose, based on what?
>> 
>> Based on its own capabilities. It can choose either way. In the end
>> what matters is how many clock cycles there are between the address
>> and data phase. And you only need to convey that information to the
>> SPI controller - your new ncycles.
> 
> It does matter. Controller may be designed to actively drive
> MOSI/WP/HOLD during single-spi dummy cycles and WP/HOLD
> during dual-spi dummy cycles. If the pin modes between the
> controller and device mismatched, worst case scenario
> the chip may get fried.

Interesting. But most of the time you'll have to do what the
spi controller supports. Only if its freely programmable,
then according to your comment you'd choose the buswidth of
the data phase to be on the safe side.

Btw. this is not what spi-nor is doing right now.

-michael