Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752799AbXIPKFW (ORCPT ); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:05:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751274AbXIPKFK (ORCPT ); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:05:10 -0400 Received: from theseus.empoweringmedia.net ([67.72.106.11]:54182 "EHLO theseus.empoweringmedia.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751293AbXIPKFI convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:05:08 -0400 From: "J.C. Roberts" Organization: DesignTools.org To: Kyle Moffett Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:05:00 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Cc: Jason Dixon , misc@openbsd.org, LKML Kernel References: <5C8C3794-C62A-4935-8267-81080CCF6867@dixongroup.net> <200709160052.45493.jcroberts@designtools.org> <2D9F0E1E-0E7A-46A5-8251-209CCF458A5D@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <2D9F0E1E-0E7A-46A5-8251-209CCF458A5D@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709160305.00792.jcroberts@designtools.org> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2010 Lines: 42 On Sunday 16 September 2007, Kyle Moffett wrote: > Secondly, what the HELL is with you guys and the personal ? > attacks?!?!? ?You said I am "hopelessly misinformed, or a habitual ? > liar"??? ? You are right and I apologize. I've received plenty of personal attacks from your group, and failed to hold my temper when dealing with you. You and the rest of the linux kernel devs need to realize there are a lot of angry people who are tired of being ignored by the powers that be in the GNU/FSF/GPL/SFLC. The claimed distinction between the linux kernel, the linux operating system, the various linux distros, the GNU project, the FSF, and the SFLC is pedantic at best to the rest of the outside world. As far as everyone else on the outside is concerned, you are all one large project working together. When some part of your project is indulging in code theft, it makes all of you look bad, regardless if it's upstream, downstream, sidestream or otherwise. When linux/gpl developers and linux/gpl lawyers refuse to take a stance against code theft, you look like one big happy family doing everything you can to put as much code as possible under your preferred license regardless if it's illegal or immoral. I knew darn well that I wouldn't be winning any new friends in the linux/gpl/gnu camp by voicing an unpopular opinion to your project, but after being ignored, you too would want to find the people on the other side with the spine to stand up and say code theft is wrong. Would you stand by quietly, tolerate being ignored, and accept delay tactics of unethical lawyers if the roles were reverse? Would you be willing to be called every untoward name in the book by voicing your dissenting opinions clearly and loudly? I have. jcr - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/