Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754980AbXIQPVv (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:21:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752206AbXIQPVn (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:21:43 -0400 Received: from mail1.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.169]:1984 "EHLO mail1.webmaster.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751920AbXIQPVm (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:21:42 -0400 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Theodore Tso" , "Krzysztof Halasa" Cc: "Adrian Bunk" , "Can E. Acar" , , , "Daniel Hazelton" , "Eben Moglen" , "Lawrence Lessig" , "Bradley M. Kuhn" , "Matt Norwood" Subject: RE: Wasting our Freedom Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:21:23 -0700 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:21:26 -0700 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2306 Lines: 51 Theodore Tso writes: > Now, you don't need a licence from the original author to use > the derived work. The author of the derived work only needs > a licence from the original author to create a derived work. > Do you think Microsoft users have licences from authors of > the works MS Windows etc. are based on? :-) Of course you don't need a license to *use* the derived work. You never need a license to use a work. (In the United States. Some countries word this a bit differently but get the same effect.) If, however, you wanted to get the right to modify or distribute a derivative work, you would need to obtain the rights to every protectable element in that work. If the work were under a GPL or BSD type license, only the original author of each individual element could grant you such a license. Read GPL section 6, particularly this part: "Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions." To distribute a derivative work that contains protectable elements from multiple authors, you are distributing all of those elements and need the rights to all of them. You need a license to each element and in the absence of any relicensing arrangements (which the GPL and BSD license are not), only the original author can grant that to you. It is a common confusion that just because the final author has copyright in the derivative work, that means he can license the work. He cannot license anyone else's creative contributions absent a relicensing arrangement. The GPL is explicit that it is not such a license. That's what the "from the original licensor" language in section 6 means. The BSD license is not explicit, but it couldn't work any other way. When you receive a Linux kernel distribution, you receive a GPL license to every protectable element in that work from that element's individual author. Nobody can license the kernel as a whole to you. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/