Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759384AbXIYVTP (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:19:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753104AbXIYVS6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:18:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:44241 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752776AbXIYVS5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:18:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:17:44 -0400 From: Dave Jones To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Andrew Morton , Christoph Hellwig , Adrian Bunk , perex@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [-mm patch] unexport sys_{open,read} Message-ID: <20070925211744.GM8127@redhat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Dave Jones , Arjan van de Ven , Andrew Morton , Christoph Hellwig , Adrian Bunk , perex@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20070909202527.GT3563@stusta.de> <20070909203920.GA11764@infradead.org> <20070909145940.0b41c8a5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20070910090808.GA31204@infradead.org> <20070910022324.c69e1897.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20070910161456.7431312c@laptopd505.fenrus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070910161456.7431312c@laptopd505.fenrus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1329 Lines: 29 On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 04:14:56PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > Maybe I'm too pessimistic in my assumption that external open module > writers don't actually follow mainline closely; and maybe part of me > would love for them to follow it closer, so close that they would even > consider submitting their driver for it. But sadly from experience... > warnings dont' work. Only when things break hard people notice. We've both done the same job, so it's unsurprising that we share the same view on this. A number of times I've had out of tree module authors complaining to _me_ because "Fedora fucked up my module, it works fine in $otherdistro" (ignoring the fact that $otherdistro is a point release or more behind Fedora). There's definitly a culture-gap between some out-of-tree module authors and people who intend from day 1 to get their code merged into mainline. The former don't know what happens in mainline until several distros start moving onto newer kernels, so no amount of warnings is going to help these people. Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/