Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756143AbXI0Lys (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:54:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750958AbXI0Lyl (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:54:41 -0400 Received: from embla.aitel.hist.no ([158.38.50.22]:52611 "EHLO embla.aitel.hist.no" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750869AbXI0Lyk (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:54:40 -0400 Message-ID: <46FB99EF.4020806@aitel.hist.no> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:54:23 +0200 From: Helge Hafting User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070329) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hemminger CC: Jan Engelhardt , Oleg Verych , Jan Beulich , bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: why network devices don't do reference counting? (Re: [PATCH] Module use count must be updated as bridges are created/destroyed) References: <46FA2C17.76E4.0078.0@novell.com> <20070926083705.6bc65ea5@fujitsu-loaner> <20070926140608.6e6d3d0c@freepuppy.rosehill> <20070926153330.77aade4d@freepuppy.rosehill> In-Reply-To: <20070926153330.77aade4d@freepuppy.rosehill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1462 Lines: 37 Stephen Hemminger wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:18:55 +0200 (CEST) > Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > >> On Sep 26 2007 14:06, Stephen Hemminger wrote: >> >>>>> No, network devices don't do reference counting. >>>>> >>>> Could you explain why, please? >>>> >>>> After `udevd` on boot loads lots of unused crap, i surrendered, and use >>>> $(rmmod `lsmod | just first column`). Networing bravely wipes away. OK, >>>> there are lots of configs: udev, hotplug, modprobe, that somebody might >>>> like to fix. But it came to the end with me. I just don't care. So, >>>> please answer :) >>>> >>> For hotplug and other reasons, the network developers decided that being >>> able to remove a network module at any time was a good thing. It works. >>> >> Except that for ipv6.ko, it's all opposite. After modprobe, >> it already got a refcount like 8 and you're wondering how >> to get rid of that. >> > > ipv6 is not a network driver, it is a protocol. You might be able to remove it if you zap > all the routes and applications, ... > Wouldn't it be enough to down all the interfaces and close all the sockets? No need to bring down every app. Helge Hafting - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/