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[2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h193-20020a636cca000000b0051446aaeae9si15971772pgc.598.2023.04.19.05.29.53; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 05:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=db5e0DGY; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233245AbjDSMYT (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:24:19 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:42512 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233305AbjDSMYJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:24:09 -0400 Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [139.178.84.217]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBB3A1FCE for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 05:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8094D63E73 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 424FAC433D2; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:24:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1681907045; bh=VsH3Rfa+SSrVUfZObRgg0ssJsk3aX025Sp4TIkSmH8w=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=db5e0DGYh0jJ8BygAdHfCfab+ls8rvWYDyYVvgTvm9MM5M09vP9656kQmqGEw0OMO VJIkQKaySBTrmOukHlFifXV9pQ3xdOABwdO9fuJ57XWzB8xJBeaxeB4OKGhwBaqAZS yfQebVqtZeqA55RnjMfLUlNSt6T3j+5Ib6mG8GAm91GA+AvCtMpyg3vloewq4S1Z9R IyM8XFzo13QmNVSgZpJ0OLkUQMysgR8CNZxqnBgwo641fbpZIyxwWy19uRzxP5wFTY +ySd4eXktPJLeA4+6M1f5fWWtxu5/QSq7nBPm8+9wN21czPUSyb2C1A3J1sTHXwqsZ 8ojYFLq2026Tw== Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:24:01 +0200 From: Frederic Weisbecker To: Marcelo Tosatti Cc: Andrew Morton , Christoph Lameter , Aaron Tomlin , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, Russell King , Huacai Chen , Heiko Carstens , x86@kernel.org, Vlastimil Babka , Michal Hocko Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 00/13] fold per-CPU vmstats remotely Message-ID: References: <20230320180332.102837832@redhat.com> <20230418150200.027528c155853fea8e4f58b2@linux-foundation.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Le Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 08:59:28AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti a ?crit : > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 08:29:47AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 08:14:09AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: > > > This was tried before: > > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220127173037.318440631@fedora.localdomain/ > > > > > > My conclusion from that discussion (and work) is that a special system > > > call: > > > > > > 1) Does not allow the benefits to be widely applied (only modified > > > applications will benefit). Is not portable across different operating systems. > > > > > > Removing the vmstat_work interruption is a benefit for HPC workloads, > > > for example (in fact, it is a benefit for any kind of application, > > > since the interruption causes cache misses). > > > > > > 2) Increases the system call cost for applications which would use > > > the interface. > > > > > > So avoiding the vmstat_update update interruption, without userspace > > > knowledge and modifications, is a better than solution than a modified > > > userspace. > > > > Another important point is this: if an application dirties > > its own per-CPU vmstat cache, while performing a system call, > > Or while handling a VM-exit from a vCPU. > > This are, in my mind, sufficient reasons to discard the "flush per-cpu > caches" idea. This is also why i chose to abandon the prctrl interface > patchset. If you're running your isolated workloads on guests, which sounds quite challenging but I guess you guys managed, I'd expect that VMEXITs are absolutely out of question while the task runs critical code, so I'm not sure why you would care. I guess not only your guests but also your hosts run nohz_full, right? I can't tell if the prctl solution which quiesces everything is the solution for you, I don't know well enough your workloads, but I would expect that the pattern is as follows: 1) Arrange for full isolation (no more interrupts/exceptions/VMEXITs) 2) Run critical code 3) Optionally do something once you're done If vmstat is going to be the only thing to wait for on 1), then the remote solution looks good enough (although I leave that to -mm guys as I'm too clueless about those matters), if there is more to be expected, I guess the quiescing prctl (or whatever syscall) is something to consider. Thanks.