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[209.85.208.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o19-20020a1709062e9300b0094f281bd279sm17745696eji.198.2023.05.03.12.19.38 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 May 2023 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f50.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-50bdd7b229cso3644891a12.0 for ; Wed, 03 May 2023 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:8a01:b0:960:ddba:e5bb with SMTP id sc1-20020a1709078a0100b00960ddbae5bbmr4715901ejc.43.1683141578005; Wed, 03 May 2023 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230429003822.n3mglslg666j3npp@box.shutemov.name> <641a9348-a052-6bb5-e6c7-64acb6405328@intel.com> <20230503190147.GA1719388@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <20230503190147.GA1719388@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 12:19:20 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] x86/mm for 6.4 To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Dave Hansen , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Dave Hansen , x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 12:02=E2=80=AFPM Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > I suppose that's a very long winded way of saying, that yes, ofcourse 0 > is a positive number :-) Well, I do consider it as such, but I guess I took all my math classes when people still considered negative, zero and positive to be three disjoint sets, and 'non-negative' was required for rigor. Some googling around says that a lot of people still think that, and that it might even be language-specific. I think the commit commentary about "ok, strictly non-negative" might still be relevant. At least to some people, and at least for sticklers. Also, I do consider 0 to be part of =E2=84=95, although I wouldn't consider that to be an argument about "positive" at all. The argument for 0 in =E2=84=95 would be that without it, you don't have an identity element for addition, which would arguably make natural numbers kind of broken as a set. Linus