Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757293AbXJKGbT (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:31:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754639AbXJKGbN (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:31:13 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.186]:26883 "EHLO rv-out-0910.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754288AbXJKGbM convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:31:12 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WY/hbit8QKkBhjYvgGTIsATbJk2mAzBEDgBDtRc/ifXGPK7VgbsTbP4pReQA4Odtva2Bq5WFhqaFZDK/3tvbqlHe+3qj1+TuTBfrEjLd7MHGCF3rxCorhuqMggju7yjl9qfquMIycBe6PZxWXvp8QxWomQiLJTj32MypO4f3m1Q= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:31:11 +0200 From: "Markus Rechberger" To: "Aurelien Jarno" Subject: Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] [GIT PATCHES] V4L/DVB changes for 2.6.24 Cc: "Linus Torvalds" , "Mauro Carvalho Chehab" , linux-dvb-maintainer@linuxtv.org, "Andrew Morton" , video4linux-list@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <470DBDC7.8000304@aurel32.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <1192053794.15601.47.camel@gaivota> <470DBDC7.8000304@aurel32.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1997 Lines: 44 On 10/11/07, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Markus Rechberger a ?crit : > > On 10/11/07, Linus Torvalds wrote: > >> As such, the old and decrepit em28xx driver seems more useful to people, > >> since at least it supports the limited set of hardware on its own. > > > > it does not since it's broken and feature limited. On the other side > > I have a device which works perfectly with it if you add the vendor and > product ID to the list. I don't really call that broken. And it doesn't > need a firmware. > Aurelien, the device you're using is around 2 years old. You're one of the lucky ones, I have tonns of support mails in my mail account from people who own almost a similar device but with different videodecoders which are not fully supported in the kernel or which worked and got broken during the time. It took me around 4 hours to debug such an issue last years remotly with an enduser (which includes that noone cared to ask me if I'm fine with such an update, neither did someone ask people who own such devices that they should test the changes). Please also take other devices and upcoming devices into account, since i'm willing to spend that time and since I'm in contact with various companies who provide several components of those devices. > Please think that a lot of persons do not have enough knowledge to > compile out of tree drivers, and that a lot more do not even know about > this out of tree driver. > this is what all is about, the project does not depend on certain broken drivers anymore. And people who initially disagreed without having any solution nor contributed any code can continue to play their game without having an impact on that driver anymore. Markus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/